• ArtificialLink@yall.theatl.social
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    Ashton Kutcher wants to prevent and stop human trafficking so much so he mostly retired from acting to make a bigger impact against it. Yet he is okay with a rapist cause it’s his “friend”. Talk about a fuckin hypocrite. More proof that the famous and wealthy live by a different standard. No matter how good they seem.

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      More proof that the famous and wealthy live by a different standard. No matter how good they seem.

      You don’t need to be famous or wealthy to overlook or cover up the crimes of someone you know. It happens every day among people of every socioeconomic status, between friends and within families and businesses. In this case he isn’t even trying to cover for him, just wrote a letter supporting him at his trial based on what he knows of the guy. I don’t think it was in good taste, but also don’t think it’s worth shunning Ashton Kutcher over

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        I dunno. Seems like an incredibly fucked up thing to do when it comes to the severity of the crimes. At some point, you turn your back on someone and don’t support them because what they did is beyond the pale. It’s all about context. Being a rapist doesn’t have any context in which I could support you.

        Stealing from a store? I got your back. You killed the person that murdered your family? I’ll help you bury the body. You raped women? Get fucked, dickhead. You’re not who I thought you were and you don’t deserve me by your side.

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          Thank you I know someone who raped some women. We shuned that fucking rapist and turn on back on him.

          What he did writing a letter in support of his friend takes away all the good he was doing. Fuck Ashton. He should’ve have turn his back and stay quite.

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        This is my take. Ashton takes his job very seriously, but if he wanted to remain neutral on this he should have just shut the fuck up and accepted the court rulings like the rest of us.

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          Im confused. OP wrote the letter was written during his trial, and you said he should have accepted the ruling.

          Was this letter written before or after the ruling?

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            Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis were two of more than 50 people who wrote to the judge in the Danny Masterson sexual assault trial to support the convicted actor ahead of his sentencing, per court documents obtained by Variety.

            I had to look it up because the dates weren’t in the article, but he was convicted in May, and these letters were dated between July and August. He wasn’t sentenced until just a few days ago.

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        I mean, if a friend was credibly accused of the stuff he did, I wouldn’t be writing any letters of support. There’s a limit to what you’d do for someone in the name of friendship.

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          Nice friend you are.

          You understand that false allegations happen all the time? This wasn’t, obviously, because he got convicted. But if you drop your friends on an arrest warrant, I wouldn’t want to be your friend.

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            That’s not what they said. They didn’t say they discovered their hypothetical friend was a rapist because of the arrest warrant.

            It could be as simple as another friend telling them she was raped.

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              No, that person said that IF they found out their friend was a rapist because of an arrest.

              An arrest is upon suspicion, and in rape cases, many times an allegation. That doesn’t mean the person is guilty, that is not how our justice system works. False rape allegations unfortunately hace happened all too often and mostly end up in the victims life being utterly destroyed. The victim here not being the lying rape claimer, but the person who reiceived the false allegation.

              It’s also a really shitty situation for people around. Imagine being a mother and your son gets a rape allegation.

              The problem is that rape is very hard to prove. If it happenend a few hours ago, no condom, okay then you have some evidence. But was it rape or consensual sex? If it happened years ago it becomes even harder to prove and a lot of times it’s a he said-she said game and unless there is more actual concrete evidence, a judge isn’t going to send a person to jail on a single allegation.

              In this case ther were multiple independent testimonies, that helps

              But when your friend is accused of rape thrn I guess it up to you, who do you believe? O hoor my friends would know me and trust and believe me.

              Then again, maybe that is what Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher did. Trust and believe their friend, and now they “Support” a rapist

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            I mean my comment explicitly mentions becoming aware that my best friend was a rapist, not was accused of it

            I suppose I could have said “if one of my friends was credibly accused of rape and it was proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he committed it, I would no longer be their friend,” but that doesn’t quite have the same kick, the same pizazzy oomph

            My point was, it’s beyond unacceptable for these two to defend a rapist in any way. It’s not defensible just because they were friends. They’re horrible people, end of.

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              2-10%, that’s about right. Do you want I ben part of that statistic, or so you prefer the “innocent until proven guilty” which is the basis of our entire justice system

              Western justice systems are not principally designed to send that guilty to jail, their designed to keep the innocent out.

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        Any friend that rapes is no friend of mine, IDGAF how long I’ve known you or what we’ve been through

        I could say the same about Nazis, pedereasses, etc - some things are way bigger than friendship

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      Didn’t Kutcher kick Masterson off his show, “The Ranch”, when he found out about the allegations?

      I don’t know what’s going though any of their minds and I don’t know much about the case, but writing letters for your former friend that’s a piece of shit is common. 30 years is a very long time. Longer than Cosby got. So it couldn’t be good. But I wonder what the details are before I immediately jump to “most of the cast are assholes by association”. Also, did no one know about this during the show? Mila even had to stage kiss and hug the guy when their characters were dating.