• burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de
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    You know what really pisses me off about the paul pelosi attack? Like, really just makes me want to eat some bacon?

    I have seen cop training. I know what they do. One of the favorite training methods is a projected screen (to get things to life size), with some fancy tools to track where a fake gun/taser/pepper spray is pointed, and there are two guys running the computer in the background as an officer interacts with the scenario on the screen. The computer guys can change the scenario based on what is said/done/acted. There is a scenario that usually comes up with entry into a house where one person has a crowbar and is kneeling above another person lying supine beneath him.

    The cops have a training scenario for this screams internally EXACT FUCKING SCENARIO! And they are ALL taught that the correct answer is to shoot the person with the crowbar if the scenario suddenly shows him lifting the crowbar for another strike.

    That dude with the hammer should have been kirked.

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      What you do in a training scenario and what you do when it actually happens are two different things. Cops likely had no idea who the victim was, so them having inaction because of who it was is very unlikely

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      To be kirked be needed to hold the opinion that it’s ok for other people to die and it’s just the consequence of being in a free society…

      Oh. He was trying to kill someone. Yes kirked is the right term.

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    That fiendish smirk; he knew exactly what he was doing was repugnant and wrong. He was a first-class bully on an international level. Together with his wife’s medieval-religious-zealot crazy talk it clearly shows how insidious religion is,[1] capable of turning normal humans into psychopaths. I hope their children get out like those fortunate ones who escaped from the Westboro Baptist Church.[2]

    1. Turning Point USA: Charlie Kirk’s beloved wife, Mrs. Erika Kirk addresses the Nation.
    2. Megan Phelps-Roper, TED: I grew up in the Westboro Baptist Church. Here’s why I left.

    ⚜︎ arscyni.cc > To consider antireligion instead of atheism.

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      They are paid off by Russia to do this. This isn’t per se religion, this is sophisticated modern digital warfare. That’s why he got so wealthy and is so deep in crypto - crypto is the perfect way to transfer money discretely between countries.

      Like look at Sapolsky or Chomsky or other intellectuals who actually do and say things that contribute to collective knowledge for decades - they don’t have millions of dollars. They say factual stuff, Charlie et al said lies - so how did he get money? He isn’t even the first to say those specific lies, plenty of Christian bigots have existed. So why was he so big? Russia and foreign governments literally propped him up to be a weapon against our country. He killed a lot of people.

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        As long as it’s not your country’s responsibility! Good thing you have a general purpose bogeyman.

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    Another example of what a utter piece of shit Kirk was. The idea that our government is flying flags at half mast and people are being fired for criticizing this blimp headed monstrosity is infuriating.

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      an airforce escort for his coffin spits in the eye of every service member that’s had to toil with Trump’s bullshit. absolutely disgusting.

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    1. No obviously the guy belongs in a psych ward if not prison.

    2. Lmao the Michal Jordan of insider trading deserves so much worse.

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    Wow, he sure was a lot more articulate back in those days when he still had a neck.

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    DePape was captured on video, hitting Paul Pelosi in the head repeatedly with a hammer. That’s attempted murder. You don’t bludgeon someone in the head to teach them a lesson. No Democrat, even in a cashless bail city/state would say someone like that should be freed.

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      i wouldn’t call it a blessing, it’s being used to further all their shitty views and somehow make the left look violent.

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          Their current slate of others is not the reason, they are the first victims. The people that have led us to this place do not actually give a shit about trans or people of color, they care about money. The ones that wrote the game plan and are running the plays. The religious and others are just allies. For now.

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        Nothing the left or centre does will ever be enough. Violence is upon you whether you recognize it or not.

        Their shitty views were being advanced regardless of the circumstances because the psychopaths aren’t constrained by morals, ethics, logic, reason, facts or coherence. Everything is disingenuous, and used for weaponized purpose.

        Everything is disingenuous. Everything is disingenuous. Everything is disingenuous.

        There is no logic. No reason. No debate. Everything they do and say is to grab power for power’s sake. Your mistake, is to imply that if Kirk weren’t killed, the non-fascists would have less reason to hate, persecute and commit acts of violence on everyone else. They hate you not because of what you do, but that you broke their cardinal rule - you’re not one of them, therefore a target.

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        They don’t need real reasons to do their bullshit. Plus this guy was one of them anyway. How come the left is constantly defending themselves for being nonviolent when it’s the right that is constantly doing the violence? See the trump assassination attempt, the mn shooting, and most recently the Nazis death.

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          It’s a longer term play. If 40% of the populace is committed against MAGA, and 40% is irredeemably invested in MAGA, that leaves 20% so out of touch with current events they haven’t formed any strong opinion. Yes, the MAGA administration is going to do the bullshit anyway. But feeding into the “both sides are the same” narrative might tip the balance of voters into re-voting in the bullshit doers.

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            You misunderstood me. This is all propaganda and the real violent members are on the right. I’m saying we need to literally fight fascism here, not tiptoe around this shit as it’s already here. Who cares about their framing, it’s always a lie anyway.

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        They already paint the left that way.

        And frankly, if that’s how they’re going to frame the left being non-violent, I feel like they might as well be violent and help the world out.

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        They were going to do that anyways, that was always the plan. You guys keep walking on eggshells and you’re going to give them all the room they need to finish you off. Signs a month from now are not cutting it.

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          You’re saying that as if this is a violent uprising, as if it’s damage enough to stop any oppression. We used to have a man who might’ve asked to keep some progressives alive to debate them. In his place is fodder for those who would not.

          “They were going to do it anyways” is not reason to help their believability.

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        They were gonna do all the shitty things anyway. Appeasement never works against fascism. Bullets work. We learned this in WWII.

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        That is happening regardless. Notice martial law already being imposed on cities without even a good reason for it. Or if you recall 2020 them nurturing paramilitary groups that they protected from people who fought back against them.

        There is no world where these guys were not already going to do all this stuff.

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    Warning: Video clips into bodycam footage of the attack on Paul Pelosi. The blow is not on camera, it’s behind a wall, but it’s on the startling side for sure.

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    “Why is the Republican Party, why is the conservative movement to blame for gay, schizophrenic nudists that are hemp jewelry-makers breaking into somebody’s home, or maybe not breaking into somebody’s home,” Kirk said in the segment. “Why are we to blame for that exactly?” “And why is he still in jail? Why has he not been bailed out? By the way, if some amazing patriot out there in San Francisco or the Bay Area wants to be a midterm hero, someone should go and bail this guy out… Bail him out and then go ask him some questions.”

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    Do you have a longer segment that mentions who he’s talking about? I’d like to send this to people, but I don’t it’ll be as clear to them what he’s talking about.

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    The headline’s kinda misleading if you read the articles. He said the attacker should be bailed out so he could be questioned. He also said the attack was “awful” and “not right”.

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      Yeah I focused on this, too. Verbally I feel like he carefully dances a line here. It’s not clear in this context why exactly he was saying this. At the same time that shit eating grin as he says it seems to show a darker side, along with other examples or him generally being a shit.

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      It’s kind of like how Alex Jones likes to describe the gruesome violence he wants done to the people he doesn’t like… “politically”. It’s not that hard to understand what’s actually being said.

      Edit: Found a supercut someone else made of Alex Jones threatening violence “politically”. It even includes the dates he says it, which is pretty cool https://fight.fudgie.org/search/videos/?video=alex-jones-politically