Can you call them if your shop is broken into?
They’re protecting you from themselves.
I know someone whose family founded a small retail chain (with like 5 shops or something, each operated by another relative) in an east European country shortly after the fall of the iron wall that is, well, pretty much associated with mafia-like structures.
According to her after the initial mayhem they did have a group establish themselves that was more “mafia” like. Think black suits,old Mercedes Benz cars,etc. They actually had a “emergency number” they were supposed to call and where someone picked up 24/7. And according to her someone actually came - unlike the police back then (who also wanted money). They responded fairly fast - and to them it seemed like they actually at least tried to find perpetrators. But they were never quite sure if some of the people who robbed them were actually sent by these groups themselves to prove how much the shops needed protection. Over the times things got more extreme and the “group” only wanted money to protect people from themselves - possibly because drugs got involved and the “thugs” got younger. But at least then the police stepped up their game and did more.
Did they (the gangs who asked for protection money) actually ever catch the people responsible or blamed to be responsible?
From what I understand,yes, but she said “they showed us a guy they beat to pulp, he said he is sorry. But the guy wore a ski mask when he robbed my aunt. How should we know if it was him or if that was just some homeless person?”
Here in Northern Ireland the paramilitaries used to take it as “window cleaning money” but didn’t actually clean the windows unfortunately.
My mum who grew up during the Troubles said they did protect and they still do. Anti social behaviour is often met with “kneecappings” (shot in the back of the knee, it’s generally carried out via appointment)
A while ago someone was crucified against a fence. It was likely over a drug feud.
I knew someone who once had his dog stolen. He went to the police and they did nothing. After waiting a week he went to his local paramilitary and they had it sorted that evening.
A few months ago, a riot and house burnings were orchestrated by them in Ballymoney to push Romanians and Gypsies out of an estate community due to anti social behaviour.
If you don’t pay up, they’ll start damaging your property
Yes. The most clever gangs even incorporate and offer legit security services for the government.
Although, it took them a while to realize that this is the best exit strategy, so the '90s were a bit crazy in the eastern europe.
My dad used to pay protection money for his corner shop up to like 2010 – every week a couple of scary guys would show up to collect, and you could always spot some familiar dudes hanging around every 2 blocks or so keeping an eye on things.
Absolutely they did protect his shop, at least the 1 or 2 times a year some uniformed guy would show up with a knife thinking he was about to get some easy money (cops were very slow to respond on our part of town).
Also I think this gang must have been pretty chill, never heard of them having been too harsh on people who didn’t pay for protection, nor having mugged or killed anyone, and they never even beat up the guys that tried to rob our store too badly. Pretty sure they never even dealt anything harder than weed or steroids but maybe they had something to do with contraband, idk.
By the end of the decade my dad would constantly be busy with a bunch of other stuff so I often tended to the shop, and obviously I kept paying them. Thankfully no one ever tried to rob the store while I was subbing for my dad but the vibe started to get a little weird for my taste.
The gang must had been growing a lot because I rarely recognized the guys who came to collect, and soon after, a couple of addicts started hanging around, then pass a couple months and way more often you’d hear about so and so having been mugged – no one would say it out loud but people suspected it had been guys from the gang.
Eventually the cops finally started cracking down on racketeering so we never again had anyone come collect protection money, but if you ask me, I would’ve stopped paying anyway because I just love spreading misinformation online, also my dad started to beat me up with jumper cables, so yeah.
Dammit. +1 now staaahhhp
You have potential to become Lemmy’s Shittymorph.
It protects you from the collector.
You obviously forgot to put blood in your door
As second hand story from someone who lived in a Mafia controlled part of New York City, the neighborhood that he lived in was a poor working class neighborhood. Yet, each storefront had full glass pane windows while the other neighborhoods nearby had bars on their windows.
The Mafia have an interest in protecting those “under their protection”. This would also spoil over into charity. The Mafia would generally be charitable to those within their neighborhoods to buy off complicity of the locals. For instance, you may not turn someone in if that person is running a soup kitchen in the community.
The protection is understood to basically be by them from them, in the event you don’t pay. If you pay, things are good. If you don’t, they’ll make sure things are not good.
Though to my understanding, it is from them… to my knowledge if a shop gets broken into, in their territory you don’t call them, they already are aware and hunting down the perpetrators. Kind of what gang wars are… one gang basically declares an area their territory, if another gang takes action in that area they are basically declaring a gang war.
Obviously gangs know it’s bad for business if they want to collect protection money, and they aren’t overwhelmingly the biggest thing to be afraid of.
Depending on the political climate, non state organisations can help resolve community issues and provide protection, while the official government views them as gangs / terrorists. For example, in Northern Ireland.
But what if you realized that the ones burning your house and attacking your neighbours were the police? Then, the obvious option would be to turn to yourself and like-minded friends to create your own institution to protect the community from assault.
This was what happened during the recent 25-year conflict
“Recent” that happened in 1969.
Yeah, that is a highly romanticized and naive way of describing extortion
Like taxes?
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That’s not all of it. But a government is just a gang as well. If you don’t pay taxes, you’ll be met by goons. Sure it’s more “civilized” but that’s only a mask to ensure people aren’t trying to overthrow them all the time. A Mob boss a monarchy are functionally the same are they not?
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A gang is just a group of people who organize around a set of rules or beliefs and is considered to be illegal because they are operating outside the limits set by the current regime. Let’s use the Taliban as an example. Some people called them a terrorist organization that was by intents and proposes a gang. So when they are now called the Islamic Emirates of Afghanistan, and are recognized as the government leaders of Afghanistan, they no longer are performing illegal acts, because they make the laws. If an organization turns to seize control we change the name from gangs to rebel groups. Then rebel groups to government.
A gang and a government both ultimately operate by the threat and use of violence.
wait no he has a point
A Mob boss and a monarchy are functionally the same are they not?
Completely; but only if you compare the worst monarchy with the best mafia. In short, it’s a lot of cherry-picking, and very whataboutist.
Unless they feel like it
There are two types of this, those that pay voluntarily and those who are extorted. If you pay protection money to a gang voluntarily, it is like insurance. If your business has a problem, the gang will deal with it. If you are the extorted type, then you may be on your own and you still owe money. They may act on your behalf because of the disrespect of hitting a business they deal with.
Some businesses don’t so much pay protection money as they act as a money laundering node for the gangsters, so if your shop gets hit then their money gets hit and that is personal. These types are usually more affiliated or may be forced to launder.
Do you have any examples where it’s been voluntary?
Yeah.
If you pay protection, it’s because the payment is less than random thefts would be.
The gang you pay, is supposed to be scary enough that random crime doesn’t happen in “their” areas.
So you getting robbed, is an insult to their reputation. And to regain that rep, they find the idiots who robbed a store under their protection.
Now, whether or not you see any of that money back isn’t really for sure. Because what matter is the reputation among the criminal underground.
But the whole process is outdated, I’d be surprised if it’s still happening large scale. Most likely only for businesses who are already breaking the law, they couldn’t contact cops anyways.
Like a methlab.
You can’t call the cops even if you know who robbed the methlab. So if you don’t have muscle. You pay for protection
Kind of, but really you’re just paying for protection from what they would do to you if you didn’t.
It’s rampant in my city. They shoot out the windows of your business at night. Only certain businesses get targeted and the media hardly reports any of it. But, here’s an example of one that made the news 2nd arrest made in alleged shootings at GTA movie theatres
There was a similar shooting at a business a few addresses down from my work last week.
An Ontario film distributor has alleged that the shootings are linked to an intimidation campaign by other film distributors to prevent popular South Indian movies from appearing in large chains.
Guy who distributes Indian movies claims attacks on random movie theaters are to prevent his movies from being watched…
I didn’t search very hard, but I can’t find a single other source for that being a thing.
Even if it was, that’s basically the opposite of a protection racket. You get that right?
Brampton man charged with conspiracy, intimidation, extortion and uttering threats: York police
The sub headline from that same article. The word “extortion”. You get that?
If you were nicer, people would stick around longer and try to help you underthings…
You get that?
2nd arrest made in alleged shootings at GTA movie theatres
article doesn’t say which of these theaters it was 🤔
If a bunch of business or people are paying protection and they are encumbered by crime/theft/loss of business - they have a problem. They will get together to solve the problem.
This is dangerous for the protection group because now you have created a situation where your customers have a incentive to organize and fix their problems… And the protection gang is also a problem which could get solved
In general they are the ones breaking your windows if you don’t pay. Paying for protection is more like paying for them not to fuck you up. If other person does something to you it’s not their problem.
At least that’s how it works here.
