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    As a parent the idea of not being able to obtain food for my child is literally a worst nightmare.

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      Your nightmares are tame, my worst nightmare is an 87-foot Donald Duck that eats memories.

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        Making a joke on a comment like that, on a post like this… 🤨

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        Daily reminder that Donald Duck is based AF. He is canonically a war vet with PTSD, and is at least a socialist if not a full blown communist.

        Donald would be protesting the Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people.

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          As someone with a lot of memory problems, it’s actually pretty spooky feeling and confusing losing any memories good or bad. Idk probably that’s different per person but even when I forget the bad the sense of loss is for real plus the “who am I” existential dread.

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    The IPC, (the people responsible for tracking and declaring famines), have released a report saying this is going to get very bad very quickly if aid isn’t allowed in.

    This is entirely avoidable and creating a famine is not in anyone’s textbook of legitimate military strategies.

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      Well in the medieval textbooks it was a valid strategy…

      But this is horrific and along the lines of torture. Genocide and death by forced starvation are disgusting, despicable things that should not be happening in this modern era.

      Netanyahu… or however you spell his name… will go down in history next to Hitler, sadly, and the Biden administration supporting this genocide is on the wrong side of history.

      Even with all this said, I’m probably still voting for Biden in 2024. 😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨

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        FPTP is barely democratic, but it’s gone, it’s vote against who you want the least. 😕

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        For once, I’m glad I live in California, so I don’t have to actually vote for Biden this time (because everyone else will).

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          I’m glad I live in Utah where I will definitely (and defiantly) vote for Biden because nobody else in this baboons butt-red state has the decency or morals to do so.

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            Aha, another Utahn lemmy connesiur in the wild. I’ve tried to convince many to make the transition, dunno if a single one actually has.

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        With how bad Trump is, it’s understandable. But make sure to vote pro palestinian candidates if there are any in primaries or on the ballot.

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          I think your choices for most of the Western world are limited to “Palestinians die” or “Palestinians die while some cretin talks about what losers they are for dying”, unfortunately.

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        You don’t have to go to medieval ages. It was legal to put certain ethnic groups in concentration camps only 80 years ago. Encouraged even…

        Genocide Joe must be punished for his support of israel.

        If you vote Biden this time it directly signals the Democrats that there is no line they are not allowed to cross.

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      These animal farmers are making famines worse by driving up demand for cropland and input allocation towards feed crops. The more money is shoved into the animal farming industry, the more famine there will be in the world.

      edit: if you feed food to food, you’re wasting food. This isn’t some obscure fact. The free market on inputs and even on land allocates the resources to who pays more - and subsidies allow the animal industry to pay more, to buy more land, to buy more inputs.

      The future is plant-based. Anyone who doesn’t want people to die of hunger agrees with this.

      https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1713820115

      Global farmers facing fertiliser sticker shock may cut use, raising food security risks https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/global-farmers-facing-fertiliser-sticker-shock-may-cut-use-raising-food-security-2021-12-09/

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        Yeah, I don’t think that’s actually the main reason the people of Gaza are starving right now.

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          Indeed, current famine is mostly due to war.

          But food poverty, people skirting the edge of hunger, are affected by this.

          We saw this when Putin invaded Ukraine and ruined the massive export of grains to developing countries and aid agencies.

          And, indirectly, these animal farmers are making food crops less attractive, thus leading to less production of food crops, which means less food to give to aid agencies (assuming that the aid can reach those who need it).

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            Sorry, I apparently wasn’t being direct enough, let me try again; it’s gross to use the starvation of Palestinian civilians, caused by an illegal blockade on humanitarian supplies, as a springboard for vegan talking points, and you should be embarrassed that you just did that.

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        We get it, you’re a vegan. Now, just for one second, try to not be self-centred and ask yourself whether, if you were in Gaza right now, and all you had was a thick, juicy, steak, you would eat it.

        The answer is yes.

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        Mate, read the room. Tone deaf posts like this are a good reason why people hate vegans. And this is coming from a fellow vegan. Palestine isn’t going to avoid famine by switching to vegan now; that’s completely insane! And it would still be starving even it was 100% vegan, due to, you know, a fucking genocide happening.

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        Animal farmers are much more likely to prevent this specific famine - when you’re displaced from your home, there is no chance you’ll harvest and bring your crops. There is a chance you can bring some animals with you.

        I understand your point, but there’s a time and place for that, and that is absolutely not here.

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          This is the time, any later and it’s too late.

          Stop pretending you are the voice of reason when really you’re just selfish and lazy.

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            You, personally, are a net negative voice for this movement. If you never spoke of veganism again, you’d have a more positive impact than if you continue what you’re doing. The way you’re acting is responsible for the deaths of more animals than you’re preventing.

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              Genuinely amazing how commited you are as to lying to yourself. Pretend that I’m the problem. Wow. I don’t care if I change your mind, I have very little doubt about that. I’ve tried, but I’m still allowed my platform the same way you are, or don’t you believe in free speech?

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                Yeah, I can see how you’re trying - even if I wanted to, I couldn’t pretend to be a worse activist than you are. But sure, keep killing those innocents with your cowardly behaviour - after all, you have FREE SPEECH! And those darn innocents, who are they to tell you what to say and not say?

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                  One day you’ll realise how shitty a human you are, choosing to eat our only companions in this universe.

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            Dude, there is no food shortage due to too much animal farming in this conflict. There is food shortage because one state is trying to genocide the people of another state. Even if all of Palestine and the whole world were fully vegan, Gazans wouldn’t have more to eat.

            Please explain to me how your point is in any way applicable. You are literally making vegans look stupid, and I’m saying that as someone who is trying to move closer and closer towards veganism. Imagine you posted this under a news article regarding a school shooting - would you think that’s the right place and time to post this, even if the time is now?

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        Yeah but there’s enough calories to do this right on the other side of the Israeli Gaza border. The Israeli’s could end this, right now.

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        The problem is not a lack of food. The problem is a lack of logistics to get the food to the people. And the cause of the problem is not farmers. It is the regions most powerful military activly blocking aid. Soon it will also be because the government of said country successfully lobbied to defund the aid organization with established networks with Gaza.

        The solution is simple. Don’t activly block food from Gaza, and food will appear in Gaza. Almost like magic. If magic was the result of decades of hard work in building a new world order after world war 2.

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        Feel free to educate me if I am wrong, but I vaguely remember reading somewhere that famine happens due to lack of logistics rather than lack of limited food in the world. I still think future is plant based for other reasons(emissions, cost, etc) but is the solution to famines producing more food or providing more logistics? Or maybe a combination of both?

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    Welcome to the world of modern society. Actually this war’s been going on since I was a kid in the 60s, it’s just gotten more vicious with newer weaponry and more ability to kill children and starve people out of their homeland. What a wonderful species we human beings are.

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      I think it is modern social media and internet that help put this in world stage. Before you have to believe news paper or whoever own the radio. Now you can’t hide the truth.

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        Certainly newspapers, social media and the internet have all helped to “shrink” the world so that anything horrible that happens, we know about it instantly. This can make it seem like the world is becoming a more horrible place to live every day.

        But there are good stories out there too, we just don’t hear about them - after all, they don’t make money for the newscasters or the internet icons…if you can have a huge following just by showing cruelty to others, that’s what people will do.

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    USA, how long does this need to go on? Until genocide is completed? This is horrific.

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      Like I said earlier, this conflict (among many others) has been going on since at least before I was born in 1959. It never ends. One side or the other always looks for an excuse to use their weapons on “those people on the other side.” If it’s not about a strip of land it’s about religious beliefs or holy jihads or oil rights or something else. It never will end until that final stroke of the nuclear clock.

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      HAMAS murders a bunch of Israelites. Israel goes on to commit genocide.

      Propagandaists: Death to Amer… I mean. Genocide Joe!!!

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    Dying implies this is happening passively… they are being killed

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        Meanwhile some totally not complicit countries have cut funding to the unrwa for political gain.

        I know the blockade and bombings impeding access to umanitarian trucks is a giant issue, but the impending collapse of the main provider of aid is the one thing we can colletively stop, donating to the unrwa directly.

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          I personally do not want my tax dollars funding terrorism,. I would hope others feel the same about violence.

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      I really hate political correctness.

      One would think hunger in Iran during both world wars caused by the good guys is not worse of an association.

      Or, of course, Great Famine in Ireland. Also the Armenian Genocide, which I won’t get tired to mention in such cases, included that too.

      Holodomor being the first association and version numbers being put like this (2.0) mean that the person posting it doesn’t really care.

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    Of the around 600,000 people facing starvation across the globe, 95% are now in Gaza

    according to figures from the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification, or IPC, a consortium of U.N. agencies and nonprofit relief groups. The figures, which the group says are their best assessment of the current situation, show that the rest live in South Sudan, which has been riven by a brutal civil war since spring 2023.

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        I think there’s multiple classifications of food scarcity. Starvation is different than being hungry.

        The source is

        Integrated Food Security Phase Classification, or IPC, a consortium of U.N

        Unless we take the “UN is Hamas” route this number seems credible

        People are eating grass in Gaza right now.

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    Public opinion is definitely skewing more towards Palestine, at least here in Britain. Where I live, I genuinely saw a pro-Palestine march back in October attended by thousands, along with Palestinian flags waved everywhere around town. Haven’t seen any Israeli flags or marchers by comparison, and I don’t think that’s out of fear.

    The only people I’ve seen genuinely throw support towards Israel have been Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer.

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    In addition to the increased tax burden and European agriculture policies that they say are threatening their ability to survive, the French farmers also want more concessions from the government to combat rising costs of fuel and animal feed.

    There it is. Welfare for business owners.

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      Your class analysis is off by twenty miles. A labourer owning a hammer and taking on contracts instead of receiving a wage doesn’t make them bourgeois.

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    “The womb of the woman will be our strongest weapon against the Zionists!”

    • Yasser Arafat

    Seems to be a humanitarian crisis of their own doing…

    Imagine if all their concrete and rebar had gone to actual humanitarian projects instead of tunnels and bases to conduct terrorism from…

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      Israel could end this right now by allowing aid into Gaza or showing Gazans to evacuate properly.

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        Evacuation routes have been implemented… Hamas snipers shot civilians trying to leave through corridors.

        The war ends today if the hostages are released.

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          The IDF is not allowing them to leave the combat zone. Just move to different parts. If they were allowed to evacuate they would be in IDP camps outside Gaza. Also, i’d love to see proof for that claim. Proof like the videos of IDF soldiers shooting unarmed civilians with white flags.

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            You can lob all the accusations you want to distract from the issue. If the entire strip actually did humanitarian work instead of terrorism, it would be in a much better place.

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              If the entire world did humanitarian work then it would be a better place. Why are you singling out the people being forcibly starved by a foreign military?

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          The war ends today if the hostages are released.

          Oh come on. It was never about the hostages. If anything, Netanyahu must have had a cramp trying to hold back a huge smile when he heard about the hostages. It is the perfect alibi to wage this war. He doesn’t want the hostages released, they are his best reason for the war. At least for starting it. It is obvious there is no intention to stop even if they will be released now. If I remember correctly, they suggested a two month ceasefire for all hostages. Not the end of the war. Just a short break, and God knows how likely it is to be broken.

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      Seems to be a humanitarian crisis of their own doing…

      Houthis saying the exact same thing as the traffic through the Suez declines by 82%

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        Yes, that would be the perspective of someone who has no issue with terrorism being used to achieve political goals.

        I’m sure you also believe that the far right is fully within it’s rights to kidnap senators and storm capitols?

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          the perspective of someone who has no issue with terrorism being used to achieve political goals

          Apparently you can sponsor a missile strike on behalf of the Israeli government in Gaza.

          I’m sure you also believe that the far right is fully within it’s rights to kidnap senators and storm capitols?

          They’ve gone far beyond that. Just this week, a team of IDF gunmen broke into a hospital and shot the place up because it hosted injured Palestinian politicians.