The Chinese government has built up the world’s largest known online disinformation operation and is using it to harass US residents, politicians, and businesses—at times threatening its targets with violence, a CNN review of court documents and public disclosures by social media companies has found.
The onslaught of attacks – often of a vile and deeply personal nature – is part of a well-organized, increasingly brazen Chinese government intimidation campaign targeting people in the United States, documents show.
The US State Department says the tactics are part of a broader multi-billion-dollar effort to shape the world’s information environment and silence critics of Beijing that has expanded under President Xi Jinping. On Wednesday, President Biden is due to meet Xi at a summit in San Francisco.
Victims face a barrage of tens of thousands of social media posts that call them traitors, dogs, and racist and homophobic slurs. They say it’s all part of an effort to drive them into a state of constant fear and paranoia.
Is there proof this is coming from the government? Why can’t this just be regular trolling?
From the article:
“Trust us bro.”
How did they conclude the operation has ties to Chinese police?
Edit: As usual, crickets.
I don’t trust Meta or Xitter about anything else, why would I trust them on this issue?
Well, you see, China bad.
You stike me as the type of person who didn’t read the article and will refuse to read any follow up articles explaining the research.
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I’m willing to believe this is coordinated, but again, no proof that this is some kind of paid government opp. In fact, it sounds almost indistinguishable from how 4chan used to operate (before it was invaded by boomers).
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Where do you see his info?
Yeah idk what you’re on about.
Also that totally just looks like chan/goon shit lol
far too many accounts, and too well organized… and they absolutely are working this space very actively…
Yeah, I looked at this comment section when the article was first posted, and then looked at it now–and boy is it a mess.
One part astroturfing, one part “useful fools” who actually do genuinely believe what they’re saying. Then all the rest of the other people wandering around, adding to the chaos.
Insofar as “warfare” goes, dropping some English-writing locals into a chair with a cheap chromebook or laptop is basically a ROUNDING ERROR when it comes to defense and military budgets.
For how effective it is, it’s so fucking cheap. And beancounters and accountants LOVE cheap. Dude over there wants expensive weapons requiring expensive manufacturing facilities to be made, and THIS guy here wants an office space with an internet connection in bumfuck nowhere? Let’s fund the bumfuck nowhere propaganda guy.
And the US, the UK, Canada even, many western European countries have shown their populations are vulnerable and weak to online misinformation. So from a real-world monetary angle, it’s SUCH a great bang for your buck.
If I were running a country that couldn’t compete from a weapons standpoint–due to any variety of reasons…poor country, or a culture of corruption, or lack of scientific manpower or knowledge because of brain drain or something…whatever–and all I had to do was pay some poor folk who desperately needed income to feed themselves and their families, and they’d sit in front of cheap chromebooks or laptops or whatever and monitor certain sites for keywords or certain discussions, and it’d have AS MUCH EFFECT on western countries as we’ve seen it’s been having over the past 10 years…yeah. It’s a no-brainer. I’d do it.
Like, a country that already feeds its own citizens propaganda from cradle to grave isn’t going to flicker an eyelash of doing the same thing to its enemies. ESPECIALLY not when it’s so fucking cheap. And given American and western culture is so prevalent that people actually say “America has no culture”, other nations might even see messing around on social media as nothing more than fighting back, so it’s not just some military spy-thing driving it, but a sense of pride, of David taking down a Goliath with nothing more than a few stones made of words on the internet.
Yeah, it’s happening. It makes too much financial sense not to. It’s cheap AND effective. Any aggressive power is going to make use of that tool, esp. if they’ve having trouble obtaining other tools.
Also Hexbear was very actively echoing the tactics of 2015 r/the_donald.
Keeping it “fun” and light, shallow brigading, dogpiling, memes, a clique to belong to, and instant bans.
It was pretty transparent.
I want to be part of the group wandering around causing chaos. Can I be paid to do this?
A lot, likely most, of the trolling we seem to take as a necesserary consquence of social media seems to be influence operations from Russia and China (as the largest players, of course there are others).
That’s what strikes people the most when they go from X to Mastodon. 90% less followers, but more actual engagement and practically none of the harassment.
It seems most people simply don’t troll.
I remember the early days of social media. Once upon a time, Livejournal was THE social media site. A lot of fandom stuff took place on there.
Then it got sold to Russia, and there’d be days when LJ was weirdly down and unstable (this was before Cloudflare and DDoS protection) for some reason–and I’d learn there was some political strife going on on the Russian-speaking side, because their politicians and thinkers and radicals had made it their online home (long before any politicians in the USA used social media). But I was too young at the time to understand what was going on. All I knew what my fandom space where I talked about books and stuff was having outages due to stuff going on on the Russian-speaking side.
Basically, Russia was using the platform to perfect manipulating social media on its own citizens. Then it turned around and used it on the English-speaking and western world–and other nations have been watching very keenly, and seeing how effective it’s been. That China would do it too is basically like, “Duh, of course they would. It WORKS.”
But where’s the proof that China is literally paying them to troll? Why can’t this just be organic trolling from Chinese people and pro-China sympathizers that legitimately just hate the West?
I mean if I thought I could harass politicians and get away with it…
Americans are taught to hate communism from early age, any statement that say “communism is bad” is true, even comming from their government that knownly financed dictatorships and even invades countries in the name of anti-communism. Just remember they elected a president over this, you will not be able to talk pondering about this with an average murica.
If you say anything you are a tankie.
Bring out the whataboutism. I’ve never understood the need for communists to stan for horrible countries anymore than I understand the need for moderates or right wingers to stan for the USA. The USA and China both have horrendous governments, their mode of governments are kind of irrelevant to the fact that they practice massive disinformation, genocide, war, colonialism, ethnocentrism, and concentrate tremendous power at the top. A government loosely tying itself to left wing policy, in name only, doesn’t automatically make it good.
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Charges aren’t convictions.
Cognitive domain, it’s not a new concept.
It’s speculation, with circumstantial evidence at best.
Occums razor, evidence isn’t necessary.
That doesn’t mean what you think it means.
Occam’s razor, this is probably a coordinated troll group. Jumping from that to “and so this is an operation by the Chinese government” requires evidence, though, because Occam’s razor says this is a group of trolls who just do this for fun or as vigilantes.
A coordinated trolling campaign from channers or goons would look basically the same, just with different targets.
Naw man, everyone who can exercise influence by the methods we are broadly referencing is already doing it.
It is harder to explain why the powerful Chineese wouldn’t be doing it when every other relevant group is.
I don’t think there’s proof everyone is using paid agents to systematically troll and harass enemies of the state. This is a pretty specific thing.
Surveillance is one thing. This is different.
I’d believe it if I saw proof, but I don’t see proof. I see circumstantial evidence and speculation.
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