Fifth of men aged 16-29 look favourably on social media influencer Andrew Tate
It’s almost like there’s been a continuous effort in right wing media to demonize and bastardize feminists. When they talk about feminism they always screech about the most extreme views held by the smallest amount of people, and make it sound like that represents the entire group.
It’s the same strategy they use to attack any group.
If you consider Andrew Tate a meaningful source on any subject I really don’t care what generation you’re a part of - you’re a fucking idiot and you need to sort yourself out. All you are to him is a gullible mark to extract money from.
I can hate on the boomers because they had every opportunity to not be shitty. I think in the case of gen z, society ultimately failed them. They have no bright future to look forward to, just rampant inequality and a dying planet. When some loon comes around and tells them all they can go off and be little apes venting their frustration on society with violence and bigotry there’s less reason to ignore them than there should be. That’s not to say everyone’s blameless, but it’s not like 20% of the cohort was born evil and will forever be that way; something external influenced this situation and we need to fix it.
What a bizarre and ageist take.
Big yikes. Hopefully this is a symptom of radicalization on both sides, and not a trend of increasing conservativism overall.
Flanderization is a thing.
You know the whole process where the most cartoonishly exaggerated viewpoints gain the most media attention?
Well, that doesn’t only apply to people on the outside - groups and movements internally select for attention-grabbing as well. Over time, whatever gains the most eyeballs gradually becomes normalised. When you get people like Clementine ford unironically saying things like Honestly the coronavirus isn’t killing men fast enough, the attention it garners moves the Overton window a little bit each time, pulling the mainstream closer towards it. We’ve become accustomed to the clickbait, but the kids these days are a lot more resistant to it.
Gen Z are a lot more OK than people give them credit for. They grew up living and breathing meme culture, which is massively intertextual and has more layers of irony than my genX ass can even count. They don’t do uncritical acceptance of anyone’s messaging, because they contextualise the living shit out of everything they see, and it’s frankly terrifying.
I’m willing to bet that a lot of the survey respondents ‘looked favourably on’ Tate because they find his awfulness hilarious, and because they find pretending to admire him even funnier because of course he’s a festering piece of shit, that’s the joke (under 27 layers of self-reference). That’d be completely on-brand for my kid, certainly.
At the same time, they’re also going to find terms like ‘toxic masculinity’ unhelpful, because of course they can see how an originally-helpful concept slid via unfortunate phrasing into little more than a derogatory term through popular use and cynical attention-grabbing. They are going to grow into hellaciously effective arts majors, because not only can they see the mechanisms at work, they find them a lot more interesting than the actual content.
I really don’t think this poll reflects what people think it does.
It’s because of the general culture of edginess and missing people off = funny that’s big with these people.
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Yeah. A lot of young boys look up to Tate.
I think it’s because there’s kind of a lack of bold, healthy male role models than don’t make young men feel ashamed for… well, being men.
I’m not saying it’s correct, I’m saying that’s the feelings behind what’s going on here
They can aspire to living in a romanian prison like him
Genz is not be blamed for this, previous generation failed them.
Each individual is fully responsible for the views they carry, there are things instilled in us growing up by previous generations, but it’s on you to improve on their mistakes.
And how do they know what’s a mistake and what’s not a mistake? Nature v nurture.
Prefrontal cortex.
Feminism in the 70s, 80s and 90s was very different to forced quotas in work places or the likes. I’m all for equality and having no difference between genders, but feminism and “wokeism” is just stupid. Everyone crying foul doesn’t help anyone.
However, there’s a HUGE difference in what Tate is doing - he’s utter human garbage, and I think he and like minded asshats are mostly to blame for this shit.
But I’m a millennial, so what do I know, we’re wrong all the time.
Using a wokeism is the mask coming off.
Feminism in the 70s, 80s and 90s was women trying to be heard and taken seriously.
Forced quotas are because nothing changed and the rise of fuckheads like Tate is directly related. Too many men think that feminism is a zero sum game. i.e Women getting more rights means men are losing rights. Despite the fact that all they want is EQUAL rights.
It’s because they know deep down that their lifestyle is built on the backs of women and minorities instead of on their own effort.
To be fair, men will lose privileges. Before they had to compete only with other men for that juicy executive position. Now they also face women, lowering their chance to get the job. That’s just one example and it is absolutely necessary for this to happen.
Despite the fact that all they want is EQUAL rights.
And that’s the lie. Try to tell those “equal rights and quotas” people the same should apply to men in jobs heavily dominated by women and a sizeable and very loud part of them will explode in your face screaming and slavering because you dared to even mention the idea of equality.
Tbh, I’d think men would self exclude from these jobs because they’re afraid they will look less masculine working them.
These jobs do not pay well, so they already struggle to find anyone to work those.
Which jobs do you mean?
Jobs heavily dominated by women are not well-paying jobs, so no one cares. Are there even countries that have quota for women outside of executive positions and politics?
but feminism and “wokeism” is just stupid.
Christ
“Woke” means anything anyone wants it to mean at the time, so any claim you make about wokeism is devoid of importance, just any claim I make about it is. You could claim wokeism is responsible for colony collapse disorder in bees and I wouldn’t be able to argue with you, it’s an effectively meaningless word.
Please define what the fuck “wokeism” is. Feminism isn’t stupid either, it’s necessary and has never stopped being necessary.
You’re wrong, not because you’re a millennial but because you are saying wrong shit.
