cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/1085036
I personally feel as if its like polluting the fediverse!
Moved to Fediverse to get away from the data hoarding and selling that those types of companies partake in. Really hope most instances will defederate from threads and prevent Meta from collecting more data.
I’m interested in seeing how the enshittification of Threads will unfold. It’s all super neat and cozy right now with a clean UI, no ads, not many sign up nags, and such. When they build up their userbase, we’ll see how the platform devolves.
It surely won’t take long. I’m expecting a speedrun.
Hey @zuck@threads.com , you should really flag your account as a bot, thanks!
The instance I’m on has already preemptively defederated/blocked Threads.
I’d delete my account and join an instance that would defederate from corporations
This is how it should work. I don’t want to have to sign up on every different service. If people I want to follow choose to post stuff there that I want to read, I can do so from my Mastodon account.
Can somebody explain me exactly how defederating them would give us a different outcome?
I’m genuinely curious.
Meta couldn’t give less fucks about 100k users on lemmy, they are targeting people that isn’t and will never use nor understand what the fediverse is.
You keep them out, good. They don’t care, they just want to fill their own bucket with stuff that is outside anyway
Twitter people going to threads is completely independent from anything in the fediverse. Those people won’t even notice any difference if they are federated or not.
They are in for the brand and the fomo, not the content
Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
If Kbin or Lemmy allows them to federate with us, I’m out of here.
I felt the same way but then I read this and changed my mind about it https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/07/what-to-know-about-threads/
Thinking about it I’m in an European country where Whatsapp is the default messenger app, if it had interoperability I could be on another FOSS app and be tracked by Meta just when I talk to people who are on Whatsapp and be free when talking to people not on Whatsapp, this could be great to make people switch “clients”, which is damn hard now because “everyone is on Whatsapp”. Interoperability is the shit and we should embrace it!
No, we should not embrace interoperability with them. Read this https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
Don’t let them get the foot in the door. Preemptively block everything.
Embrace meta
Extend meta
Destroy meta
In addition, Facebook already had support for XMPP at some point in time but killed it.
Why? Because they couldn’t dry users off other platforms after Google closed their own support for XMPP.
Even if Meta “play nice”, we already know their aim. Siphon users off mastodon and then remove activityPub support when most servers are on life support from loss of users.
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Arbitrarily blocking an actor at the protocol level is directly contrary to the entire point of decentralized protocols in the first place.
I know, Meta bad, but the fact of the matter is that they probably won’t be defederated by everyone, actually, because the idea of being able interact with your real friends and family and other people you know is going to be enticing.
Not really, censorship isn’t the solution.Edit: I just woke up when I wrote the original comment and I can see that it’s not the clearest piece of text I’ve ever produced. What I meant is that I fully agree with defederating (and I’ll do it on my instance), but I don’t think censoring Meta in the core technology (ActivityPub) is the way to go.
It literally is, do you not see the power dynamics here? If the fediverse is to defend itself it must at all cost not federate with Meta or we will end up like XMPP.
I agree with that.
I disagree with this part:
They should put a hard-coded Meta blocker into activityhub
Though I can see that my comment might seem very misleading (in my defense, I just woke up when I wrote it).
Understandable, but I myself think a Meta block ought be a changeable but default option on most fediverse software.
Changeable definitely, would have to think about whether default block is the smart thing to do. It’s hard, I really dislike Meta, but on the other hand if you go censoring instances by default, where does it stop?
IMO this should be the job of articles that tell you how to setup Lemmy, mentioning something like “Note that by default you also allow Meta the access to your instance which might mean privacy breach, here’s how you disable it.”
Many admins are lazy, and they expect their software to run well on sensible defaults, most won’t care and just go with whatever the devs consider to be fine. By choosing wether Meta is blocked or not by default the fediverse will have to take a stance.
Do we allow extremely powerful corporations that want to monopolize their influence but we get a user surge in the short term.
Or do we block them by default and anyone making an instance should make the concious choice to join the corpo-verse themselves so we can continue to foster a healthier alternative to whatever they are cooking.
I’d rather have the latter.
