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Israel has given Hamas a proposal through Qatari and Egyptian mediators that includes up to two months of a pause in the fighting as part of a multi-phase deal that would include the release of all remaining hostages held in Gaza, two Israeli officials said.
Why it matters: While the proposal doesn’t include an agreement to end the war, it is the longest period of ceasefire that Israel has offered Hamas since the start of the war.
Driving the news: More than 130 hostages are still being held in Gaza. Israeli officials say several dozen hostages either died on October 7 or in the weeks since then.
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I am no fan of Hamas, but even I can see this is a bad deal.
So they want Hamas to give up all their leverage and then after two months they will happily continue starving and bombing Gaza?
Why would Hamas agree to such a deal?
It really seems like Netanyahu doesn’t care about the hostages and they’re just pushing bad deals to placate the Israeli public to make it seem like they are doing something.
They say they will let in “more” humanitarian aid, and from the standards they have shown so far, I am not optimistic that people will stop starving.
2 breadcrumbs and 2 bottles of water is more than 1 i guess.
Bottles are dual purpose so those are forbidden. Now the 2 breadcrumbs and puddle of water need to be rechecked so back of the queue. Also the crossing is now closed until tomorrow.
And Israel needs to do something against its bad reputation at this point. They hope a 2-months break will make people forget whose been brutally bombing schools and refugee centers. And if Hamas or whoever breaks the 2-months ceasefire, it’s clear Israel isn’t the aggressor.
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Because it’s either that or they are killed to the man.
All the hostages they didn’t already recklessly kill right?
Why is it so fucking hard for Isreal to offer an indefinite ceasefire.
My guess is because they don’t actually want a ceasefire, they want to keep fighting until they’ve taken more Palestinian land. But by making this non-viable offer they can pretend that they’re trying to end the fighting
Do you consider the Hamas offer this is a counter to viable in any way?
Yes?
Why on Earth would Israel agree to a complete retreat and guaranteeing Hamas continued rule and the safety of its leadership? That is a complete non-starter.
Why would Hamas agree to Israels bullshit terms? Palestinians are facing genocide at the hands of Israel, surrender is out of the question.
Israel needs at minimum complete international blacklisting, and more realistically needs to be dismantled as they’ve proven time and time again to be a terrorist state.
You live in fantasy land.
They should agree to the terms because Israel is getting backed by most of the governments of the western world and because Gaza is about to become the world’s biggest parking lot. They aren’t fighting a winning fight.
Are you kidding? This is the closest they’ve gotten to winning ever.
The whole world has turned against Israel due to their inhumane actions. They’re being taken to the ICC for genocide, the EU is basically done with their shit and moving forward with taking actions even when they’re not at the trials.
And if they stop, Israel will just continue in a few months or a year and wipe them out regardless.
This is just nonsensical. A dismantled Israel is an Israel that cannot protect its population anymore. We have seen on October 7 what happens if the IDF is absent for just a few hours. Not to mention, the entire idea is preposterous. Even if it made any sense, it’s impossible, because you can’t dismantle a nation armed with ICBMs and the strongest military in the Middle East. Are you even aware of the fact that just one third of its forces are active in Gaza? The rest are at Israel’s borders, in case someone else feels the need to martyr themselves.
You seem to believe that Hamas is some sort of protector of Palestinians, whereas in reality, they are the polar opposite. At best they are a magnet for Israeli retaliation. Their mere presence comes with guaranteed destruction, both from the large percentage of their own weapons that fail instead of reaching their randoms targets and Israeli strikes - and at this point, Hamas are so incompetent on their home turf that the biggest actual danger to IDF soldiers is friendly fire instead of these wannabe martyrs.
No it’s just idealistic because no matter what at the end of the day the US will back Israel and no one can stop them.
We have seen over 70 years what happens when Israel is present, October 7th was a horrific reaction to the horrors placed on Palestine by Israel.
I don’t believe that, I just believe they are empowered to fight as long as they’re being suppressed by Israel. If you want to end Hamas, you need to tackle the root issue; Israel or else are you’re doing is breeding more people who hate Israel for killing their family.
Well, the world is not ready to talk about it, but Israel has been under bombardment by Hezbollah for months now.
I think both Hamas and Netenyahu’s government are both horrible awful blood-soaked evil. You don’t have to call one side good in order to call the other side bad.
Cause they need a target to point to as the bad guys. It makes taking the land easier to justify in the eyes of the international media.
Yeah, why not just offer it? It’s not like they have to actually abide by it once they got the hostages.
Because doing so would be a gross derelection of governance. Hamas has to go.
Because they want to eliminate Hamas - and I don’t blame them. You would have the same goals in their place. They cannot allow Hamas to continue their rule over the strip.
Not to mention, every past ceasefire was broken by Hamas, often mere minutes after it started. Hamas seeks these in order to make Israel look bad, because they know that their target audience will shift the blame for everything entirely onto Israel.
Well this is the biggest straight up lie out there. The previous ceasefire was broken by israel minutes after it started by killing a Palestinian civilian
On Thursday, Hamas killed four Israelis in a terrorist attack in Jerusalem and launched more rockets into Israel, which Israel said violated the ceasefire.
Hamas aren’t in Jerusalem so that’s just bullshit faithfully repeated by Israel’s media mouthpieces
Hamas said the men were members of its armed wing, the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades.
That ceasefire ended on Sunday. Monday is not sunday. It is the day after Sunday.
Israel was the party that refused to extend the temporary ceasefire by refusing to continue hostage exchanges.
What I am talking about was israel shooting a Palestinian civilian in Gaza during the temporary ceasefire. They were the only party that violated it.
Your “evidence” is the IDF playing a siren without any evidence of a rocket?
This is the IDF actually violating the ceasefire by the way. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israeli-troops-fire-at-palestinians-attempting-to-return-to-northern-gaza-during-cease-fire
They funded Hamas and are largely responsible for their rule over the place instead of the PLO.
Make no mistake, Israel are the problem here first and foremost.
Qatar is the primary source of external funding for Hamas. Israel allowed these funds through after having been pressured to do so - and they justified caving in to themselves that having two weak groups fighting each other instead of one strong group would be more advantageous to them. This was obviously a grave miscalculation, but if you want to blame anyone for the funding of Hamas, it’s the country that owns Al Jazeera.
No I blame the country that stole the land promised to the Palestinians by the British from them and has ever since made their lives a living hell, while doing everything in its power to stop them from improving their situation because it’s more beneficial for them to have a hostile enemy to justify their push for lebensraum.
You do know that Arab Palestinians rejected the last offer the British made through the UN? This would have netted them far more land than they’ll have ever a chance of ever controlling now. They wanted it all, without any Jews in it, and launched, with the help of the Arab “allies” (who would soon sideline them, e.g. during the Egyptian occupation of Gaza), to eliminate Israel and - in their words - drive the Jews into the sea. They failed and that’s how they ended up expelled, powerless and stateless. Several more attempts followed, every time without success, until the Arab nations grew tired of losing against the IDF.
This violent rejection of the UN plan does not justify the Nakba (which was also used as an excuse to expel almost 1 million Jews from the Middle East and North Africa - two wrongs don’t make a right) and the eternal conflict that came with it, but it would not have happened without the war the Arab side started.
Some asshole that has nothing to do with you brutally murdered my extended family. The rest of my family lived in your house 10 generations ago. I’ve talked to authorities that have nothing to do with you or your town, and they agree that we should cut your house by half for my family to move into it. If you disagree, I’ll call you unreasonable and antagonistic to diplomacy, and will occupy half your house using firearms anyway. If you dare to fight back, I’ll shoot without mercy and take the kitchen too.
International politics can’t be broken down using simplistic analogies. That’s not how things work.
Why should they settle for half their land just because some genocidal fucks invaded?
Would you give up half your country to an invading force?
Because it’s not an invading force and the entire country is not Palestinians and it never was. The other side has always been there and for much longer. Dig anywhere and sooner or later, you’ll find something ancient with Hebrew writing on it - Hamas would know, because they make a killing from any ancient artifacts they come across when they are digging their tunnels. Modern Palestinians, while sharing a common ancestry with Jews, are the much later product of the often ignored Arab colonization of the Middle East.
Yes, there was a massive influx of Jews into Palestine, primarily directly after WW2, because they didn’t feel safe anywhere else after they realized that most of their neighbors were happy to either look the other way or betray them outright when the Nazis came for them. Do you really blame these people for wanting their own state where they could be the masters of their own fate and not be under the boots or at best a temporarily tolerated minority that has to think twice about showing their identity in public ever again? There are 49 Muslim-majority nations on this planet, there are 22 Arab majority countries, but only a single tiny one where Jews aren’t a minority. Why is this small spec of land such a big problem?
It’s baffling that when you look into any of the backwards claims that “Israel funded Hamas,” they generally come down to the exact cooperation that activists demand of Israel.
On the one hand, people will demand that Israel allow equipment and infrastructure into Gaza, then accuse them of supplying the Hamas terror tunnels and rocket casings. People will chastise Israel for facilitating secret Qatari funds into Gaza from one side of their mouth while calling for open borders from the other side.
Scoop? Is it still the 1950s?
Don’t flip your lid, daddy-o
Guess I’m not one of the cool cats no more
I don’t think the word scoop has lost its meaning
