• mcv@lemmy.zip
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    7 hours ago

    Bullshit. Sure, in the US everything is corporate owned and controlled. But in Europe, there are media reporting every side of every story. My primary newspaper (NRC, a major Dutch newspaper) has no problem going against the grain when the situation calls for it. But even in the US with its highly partisan media, there are news outlets for every political leaning, and many do not blindly parrot the government narrative like Russian media does.

    Whatever misgivings you have about western media (and some are definitely justified), it’s really no comparison to Russia, where a wrong word can have you falling out of a window. Putin brutally silences dissent in a way even Trump can only dream of.

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      Dutch media isn’t particularly different from US media. Further, the “every political leaning” really just translates to various flavors of right-wing, from SocDem to fascist. What gets boosted by private investors is what permeates discourse. Private media is no less biased than state media.

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        Dutch media is far less partisan than US media, which in turn is still far less state-controlled than Russian media. You’re fooling yourself if you want to pretend these are all the same.

        Furthermore, SocDem is not right-wing by even the farthest stretch of the imagination. It’s moderate left. If you want further left than that, there’s still small indie media for you. If you consider every voice out there to be compromised and right-wing, maybe the problem is you.

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          Eh… DemSoc is left wing while SocDem is basically welfare capitalism these days.

          In modern practice, social democracy has taken the form of predominantly capitalist economies, a robust welfare state, policies promoting social justice, market regulation, and a more equitable distribution of income.

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        53 minutes ago

        None of that confirms the claim that western media is as unfree as Russian media. Sure there are concerns, but even then, none of the quoted percentages are 100%; the other voices do exist. And regardless of the power of money, there are many journalists out there risking their lives to report the truth. Look at Gaza, for example. Many western governments wanted to ignore it but now can’t because media keep reporting about the atrocities.

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          there are many journalists out there risking their lives to report the truth. Look at Gaza, for example.

          Please tell me this is a bit

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      7 hours ago

      Putin brutally silences dissent in a way even Trump can only dream of.

      Israel has murdered more journalists than Putin could dream of, with full support of Europe.

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        32 minutes ago

        And the media report it. That is my point.

        Western governments are (too) slowly changing their stance on Israel and Gaza because western media keep reporting about it.

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          Pretty fucked to say that murdering journalists isn’t “brutally silencing dissent” just because other sources report on it, sometime. Do you apply the same standard to Russia?

          Besides, the western media have done everything they can to downplay it without losing credibility entirely.

          Western governments are (too) slowly changing their stance on Israel and Gaza because western media keep reporting about it.

          Bullshit