• mcv@lemmy.zip
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    3 hours ago

    Dutch media is far less partisan than US media, which in turn is still far less state-controlled than Russian media. You’re fooling yourself if you want to pretend these are all the same.

    Furthermore, SocDem is not right-wing by even the farthest stretch of the imagination. It’s moderate left. If you want further left than that, there’s still small indie media for you. If you consider every voice out there to be compromised and right-wing, maybe the problem is you.

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      36 minutes ago

      SocDem is not right-wing by even the farthest stretch of the imagination

      “Social Democracy objectively represents the moderate wing of Fascism.” - J. V. Stalin

      https://marxistleninist.wordpress.com/2010/04/13/bourgeois-democracy-and-fascism/

      Even after the victory of fascism, the influence, ideology and traditions of Social Democracy continue their baleful and disorganising role, preventing the emergence of a united working class front to confront and defeat fascism. Further, if fascist dictatorship’s grip on power weakens, then Social Democracy stands in wait to come to the rescue of capitalism.

      What is beyond doubt is that both Social Democracy and fascism are agents of monopoly capitalism; both fight tooth and nail against the struggle of the working class for its social emancipation. With this as their aim, both disrupt and weaken working-class organisations.

      Their methods are, however, different. While fascism smashes the class organisations of the working class from without and opposes their whole basis and counters them with an alternative ‘national’ ideology, Social Democracy undermines them from within by diverting them along reformist bourgeois channels. Whereas fascism relies mainly on coercion, along with deception, Social Democracy relies mainly on deception, along with coercion. Their aims are identical; only their methods differ. In view of the identity of their aims and differing methods, one cannot but agree with Stalin’s observation, made as early as 1924, that “Social Democracy objectively represents the moderate wing of Fascism.” (Concerning the International Situation, Collected Works, vol 6, p.294)

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      2 hours ago

      Eh… DemSoc is left wing while SocDem is basically welfare capitalism these days.

      In modern practice, social democracy has taken the form of predominantly capitalist economies, a robust welfare state, policies promoting social justice, market regulation, and a more equitable distribution of income.

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        1 hour ago

        Read your own link, man. It calls Democratic Socialism a wing of Social Democracy. Also, who do you not also share the article about Social Democracy itself?

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

        Now, you would be correct if you merely argued that many Labour movements dipped to moderate right with their embrace of neoliberalism in the 1990s, but outside of that, they’ve been moderate left. But SocDem has always been considered various degrees of left. Sometimes not even moderately so.