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  • Posting for anyonee else who follows this thread, he wasn’t capable of understanding the research.

    Figure 1 shows the remaining capacity for several samples of LFP chemistry batteries after thousands of cycles. LFP is the most commonly used battery chemistry in electric cars right now. The data presented showed that almost all of the samples had >80% usable capacity after 3000 cycles.

    Typical use of an electric car would require 1-2 charges per week. At 2 charges per week, 1500 charges is over 14 years of usable lifetime before the capacity of the battery degrades to 80%.

    And as I said before, there are lots of good uses for battery packs at 80% degradation.




  • I think this is a short sighted take. The current batteries being produced will be useful for decades, even if they don’t support the full duty cycle for cars during that lifetime. If they degrade to being only able to charge/discharge to 70% of original duty cycle, they can be used for home solar systems in that state for decades. I fully expect this business model of repurposing degraded batteries to emerge as significant numbers of battery electric cars end useful life in a decade or so.

    In the meantime, there will be alternative battery chemistry options that will become commercially viable and will continue to improve. A car based on sodium batteries launches in early 2024. It’s not as good a range / capacity as lithium chemistry, but that’s not going to be the case forever. Battery chemistry will continue to improve rapidly, there’s lots of competition in the space and good incentives to drive research.

    Also, charging infrastructure continues to improve, battery charge times improve, battery only vehicles becomes a feasible option for more people, utilities introduce time of use plans to incentivize off-hours charging, etc.