You know what an even better take is? “We hear you, we’ll take your feedback” or just as good, say nothing at all.

Arguing that you are smarter or wiser than your users / customers is paradoxical. You are by definition not smart if you attempt to do this.

Workaround: insist that customers piss in the beer, citing exceptional flavor-add as a positive side effect. Next version, no budget for a full bathroom, so increment beer mug size to accommodate cross-stream scenarios.

Not 100% sure if it contributed to his death, but he had a history of substance abuse.

Pico gang reporting in.

make it available to anyone

To do what?

The hype is a bit overboard. It’s a good movie, pretty innovative but in my opinion not the cinematic masterpiece mainstream mediaheads touts it to be.

It’s a great thought, but if Netflix cancelled a show for “poor viewership performance”, does it make sense to expect them to fund an entire movie instead?

I would settle for a short story tying it up at this point, he could do that.

I disagree - I prefer that Fincher do his job, tell the story the best way possible instead of trying to force everything into a single season or two for “closure”.

I also think the only reason why you feel this way is BECAUSE Fincher took his time to make two fantastic seasons and a killer cliffhanger. Had he not done that, folks here would probably be complaining about how Mindhunters is a rushed, crammed, underachieving show and not of the quality that we come to expect of Fincher. It would be a completely different show and not the premise we are basing the discussion on.

Okay, you’ve gotta be jerking me around. You can’t actually be serious. And you haven’t even seen the show, so I don’t even know what you’re on about.

I’ll just leave you with this - Mindhunters had two FANTASTIC seasons and were setting up for bigger stories to tell. The scope of the two seasons are already huge and a season 3 is completely not out of the question, i.e. they are not milking it just for the sake of continuing the show. And remember, these guys were making this back in 2017 so I guess you are wiser than them for being in 2023 and knowing more about their future?

It was entirely under his control.

LOL wow. You are in a worse shape than I thought.

Listen, there are plenty of things in life that are NOT ENTIRELY under one person’s control, ESPECIALLY a content deal like this. Read the quote again:

"But it’s a very expensive show and, in the eyes of Netflix, we didn’t attract enough of an audience to justify such an investment [for season three]."

In case it wasn’t clear, I’ll spell it out for you: Netflix does not want to renew Mindhunters S3 because it costs too much and doesn’t make them enough money. Netflix made a bet with S1, S2 but folded when it comes to S3. And you still want to pin this 100% on Fincher?

It was a tiredly predictable situation.

Is it now? I guess Netflix should snatch you up as a VP for Da Future since you’ve readily predicted the whole thing with your crystal ball. Or I propose a more likely scenario: a hindsight of 10/10 because you’ve completely misread the situation?

What other human being could possibly be to blame for this outcome, moreso than the guy who italicized-for-emphasis IS the show?

Uh… the powers that be at Netflix? Plenty of people there are involved in the decision. Take your pick.

Listen, just because you are unhappy with the outcome of the situation, doesn’t change the reality that this is closer to a partnership situation than David Fincher calling all the shots. It’s just not how things work. But continue to play it off like Fincher some how victimized you and owe you something, if you like.

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?? I’m not following your train of thought.

So you are expecting David Fincher to make a smashing 3rd season for a vastly lower budget, automagically get everyone and their grandma to tune into the show, make Netflix a profitable company again, fix everyone’s scheduling conflicts and close all negotiations, all the while fulfilling rest of his contract obligations to make other films like Mank + The Killers?

Anything else? Why not bring peace to the Middle East and eliminate COVID? /s

Everything you said suggests you have very little understanding of how any of this works and you’re just airing grievances of how Fincher is “failing” your weird expectations.

budget was a curse placed on him by a witch?

What do you mean? The budget is what it takes to make the show. It costs what it costs and the outcome is the show you all love. It’s David fucking Fincher and he is legendary, Netflix knows it going into the deal and of course it’s gonna cost them, as it should.

absolved of the concrete reasons it got the usual Netflix treatment of two seasons and stone dead.

Of course he can, for the exact reason you stated, it’s the Netflix usual schtick and MO. I’m sure Fincher’s scheduling, actor contracts etc are also a factor in the 3rd season not getting made, but I find it unreasonable to pin it all on Fincher.

Bottom line is, if Netflix wanted it made, they will find a way to get it made. The quote from Fincher suggested otherwise.

“But it’s a very expensive show and, in the eyes of Netflix, we didn’t attract enough of an audience to justify such an investment [for season three].”

Verbatim quote from the article. What do you think it means?

It’s like Netflix has never heard of a “loss leader”. People don’t pay exorbitant subscription fees to watch the latest Project Runway knock off show.

Netflix is notorious for spending a metric fuckton of money to the point that a great deal of their shows are “loss leaders” (and usually followed by prompt cancellation). The “Project Runway” comparison is irrelevant - although Netflix has plenty of trash reality shows, by no means that’s all they do.

I also find it difficult to believe it’s more expensive than the average TV drama, considering Fincher already has a development deal with the network.

I don’t have a good sense whether Mindhunters would be expensive or not, but my anecdotal experience says it’s not a mainstream show. It’s just not the hits like Stranger Things, Wednesday or perhaps the One Piece that Netflix needs to survive. 1899 is another victim of the Netflix gambles - an extremely stylish and intricate show that died a premature death, even though it launched to great reception.

Watch your backs, the FoSSHoles are out to getcha.

“But it’s a very expensive show and, in the eyes of Netflix, we didn’t attract enough of an audience to justify such an investment [for season three]. They took risks to get the show off the ground, gave me the means to do Mank the way I wanted to do it, and they allowed me to venture down new paths with The Killer [his next feature]. It’s a blessing to be able to work with people who are capable of boldness.”

Can’t exactly blame Fincher for that outcome. Jonathan Groff said as much, Mindhunters is Fincher. The creator of the show is part of its DNA. Would you really want Fincher to hand it off to someone and potentially pull a Dexter or GOT S8?

I’m not sure your assessment of the “cost of damages” is really accurate but again, that’s not the point.

The point of the lawsuit is about control. If the authors succeed in setting precedent that they should control the use of their work in AI training, then they can easily negotiate the terms with AI tech companies for much more money.

The point of the lawsuit is not one-time compensation, it’s about the control in the future.

Y’all are missing the point, what you said is about AI output and is not the main issue in the lawsuit. The lawsuit is about the input to AI - authors want to choose if their content may be used to train AI or not (and if yes, be compensated for it).

There is an analogy elsewhere in this thread that is pretty apt - this scenario is akin to an university using pirated textbooks to educate their students. Whether or not the student ended up pursing a field that uses the knowledge does not matter - the issue is the university should not have done so in the first place (and remember, the university is not only profiting off of this but also saving money by shafting the authors).

It’s a good show that stands on it’s own. Manga / anime adaptation or not, it succeeded by actually being an entertaining show.

I’m a casual One Piece manga fan and I would say it is probably the most faithful adaption to the source material. Most of the sets and scenes are bang on and the cast is just fantastic and likeable. Luffy, Zoro and Nami in particular are great casts and really grew on me. But most importantly the show has heart, which is something a lot of the modern show lacks and tries to substitute with paint-by-color beats.

100% worth watching and would recommend.

Edit: Buggy the Clown’s actor is da BOMB