It is obvious you actually don’t know me. I am indeed personally affected by it given how both my grandparents were in the Nakba, I’m a registered refugee with the right to return at the UN, and every day of my life has simply been worsened by the forced displacement and poverty and death my own family had to go through. Have a nice day.

Sorry, I find it hard to discuss things with people who call me an idiot. Hence I won’t really engage you. Have a nice day/evening.

Honestly I always dreamt of a one state solution where it’s one democratic Palestine where Palestinians and former-Israelis could live together :) maybe one day.

Still forced displacement of a civilian population is absolutely wrong and terrorism but of course it gets easier to accept if you wrap it in some political excuse or the other.

I agree, except I don’t put blame on civilians. We are talking about the residents of the north of Israel who have lived there for many years, not mad settlers taking over a hill. They are civilian, not necessarily with any kind of agenda. Forcing them to leave their homes is forced displacement.

Israel is a terrorist state alright, absolutely, that’s why I try to avoid becoming terrorists like them :)

Also I feel like Hezbollah issued those evacuation orders ironically, so I don’t even think you really understand this… rather it appears to me like you are willing to defend Hezbollah no matter what they do (I’m a Hezbollah supporter BTW). Anyways, I don’t think I’m in a position to judge you from a few internet conversations, but as a Palestinian I will say that the thought of “retaking” my home if it means living in someone else’s apartment who would have been forced out just like my grandparents absolutely disgusts me.

But we are.talking about the population of the north -.- human beings, yeah? Is that acceptable to you as long as you do a colonial reading or something? Or is forced displacement still wrong?

Whether Lebanon recognizes Israel or not has not much to do with the morals of displacing several communities. It’s still wrong, just like killing Palestinians is wrong despite the lack of recognition for Palestine.

I am not opposed to the Palestinian cause. I myself am a Palestinian diaspora. So thanks for the history lesson for others to read but it’s just repetition to me. Killing and forced displacement are still wrong, whether you like or or I like it or not and no matter under what cover it happens.

Palestinians getting their land back should never happen using yet another crime. What, Nakba 3 but this time for the Israelis? BS. There are middle ways.

Yep, agreed.

Still not acceptable to use forced displacement as a weapon against civilians (also known as terrorism) and I will call it out whether Hezbollah does it or the IDF.

I’ve read plenty. In fact, growing up in the middle east and doing a literature degree meant there was a post colonial reading of everything. Still doesn’t justify further displacement of more communities. Palestinians can have their lands restored in fair ways and also allow Jewish people to stay (I am excluding illegal settler communities here). Both things can happen at the same time. Palestinians don’t want people’s apartments! They want to be able to get permits and move where they want without prejudice, and in some cases even restore ownership of their family move (if any of it is standing) and be compensated fairly and be given opportunities to resettle without having to make the current inhabitants leave. Those in diaspora don’t want someone’s garden! They want the ability to get a nationality and be able to settle there if they want. The fight is more about freedom than land. There is plenty to do to make it right to Palestinians but forced displacement of an ethnic group isn’t one of them.

I’m aware of this, hence the last sentence.

Can you really say that though with enough to back it up? Some are born there and unhappy with how things are. Some stay to help Palestinians. A big chunk are colonial fucks. But there isn’t anything that can justify dehoming more people. Palestinian should be compensated for their lost land fairy, in every way, but that does not mean it’s okay to displace people yet again. I really don’t see why Palestine should also become an ethnostate where swarms of people are forced out in terror yet again… rather than instead being a homogenous society that can restore Palestinians’ rights in legal and fair ways that also ensure human rights for everyone else no matter who they are.

And I’m not talking about far right lunatics in Israel, but rather Israeli society at large.

If it’s wrong when the IDF does it (to tell people to evacuate and clear their responsibility for any civilian casualties), then why isn’t it wrong if Hezbollah does it? They can both be wrong.

Honestly it sounds to me like Hezbollah is just mirroring IDF tactics (maybe to make a political point). It’s absolutely no different from Lebanese people being told to evacuate by Israel. Except for that one part where Israel gives you less than 10 minutes to grab your cat and daughter.

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I wonder if much of Israel underwent a moral drain (kinda like a brain drain but a lot of those “not evil” people made the good decision to stop being part of an apartheid state), and young people are immediately indoctrinated either by their parents/schools at an early age or by the state (via military service) at 18. I am beginning to see how skewed and ugly the current ideological composition of Israel is.

Some articles on Haaretz just sound like Israelis just now beginning to understand the possibility that Palestinians are human beings.

True.

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The “Gaza Arabs”, classic erasure of the indigenous identity.

It’s okay to be Jewish in Palestine. The problem is when the genociding starts. No, that asshole should stay put and be tried for their crimes one day in democratic Palestine.

I like IGF. My grandma who was a Nakba survivor always called them “Azrael” as in the angel of death. Can’t blame her, she only saw murser, pain, and forced displacement from them.