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I saw the post title and was like “no fuckin’ way…”

Love how Arnett called attention to it too. “anyone got the balls to follow up on the mushrooms?” hahahaha

Israel did ratify the Genocide convention though; as a result

The Genocide Convention authorizes the mandatory jurisdiction of the ICJ to adjudicate disputes

I think from a global general-population perspective, if things don’t go the right way there are going to be some very angry and disillusioned people. People who are already teetering on the brink of going from abject frustration to full-on rage. For one side, nothing short of a cease-fire will do (as a bare minimum); for the other side, anything imposed on them is a crime against humanity.

I feel like UN/ICJ know this, so they’ll hedge their bets and swing for the middle. No matter which way it goes, some chunk of the general population is going to be let-down. Again.

Anyone else feel like this is a powder-keg waiting to blow up? 🙋‍♂️

I watched this a handful of days ago. It’s pretty decent, and there was certainly info in there I didn’t know. Some added context to current world events

Love how they get ahead of naysayers right up front by showing that the info being presented is known by anyone that’s been through a mainstream seminary. Then differentiating between biblical scholars and pastors.

Not to take anything away from the gravity and impact of this speech, but this happened last week; not yesterday.

Too true man, but sadly not enough people have broken out of the walled gardens and still get their info from FB, Insta, X, etc…

Comparing what I see on here vs what friends on traditional social media see…there is a start contrast in the volume of pro Israel comments and such. Probably a function of number of users

Israel has been running a very effective crowd sourced propoganda arm for years and years…they even had an app at one point directing sympathizers in what to say, where to say it, and what to look out for.

Good news for us is that the sheer volume of pro Palestine posts and comments make it so the bots and bad faith actors can’t really keep up and brigade all of them in a sustained way.

NYT manufacturing consent…here it is in real time

Reminder that this happened, and the ‘testimony’ of Nayirah was instrumental to W. for the support he wanted for the Gulf War.

I see through your ‘cunning’ plan Biden

Not only did they say the quiet part, they went ahead and pulled the cloak from the dagger. Every statement and action seems to be in blatant disregard of public perception on the international level. Diplomatic and otherwise.

I remember being utterly flabbergasted by how overtly things were happening when this all started. “The blood oath must be kept” was the best reason I had then.

Thanks to the less bullyable entities you mentioned some definitive action might finally be taken.

I feel like this micro-news-cycle and news fatigue thing is exactly what they’ve been counting on, seems like they legit think this will all eventually blow over. People will forget, get bored, or get distracted by something new…

I also feel like the attention has been sustained longer than they would have liked but they’re so balls deep into murder that its too late for the pull out game

Just another Tuesday day ending in “day”

FTFY

Yan consumed alcohol with others in his room on the night of the 17th, and then he defecated in the bathtub of the room he was staying in on the 18th

So wait…this wasn’t a party and booze incident? Bro pooped the canoe, in privacy, the next day. I wonder if it was premeditated.

I’m so going to drop a fat Chernobyl mutation of a shit in that sassy tub tomorrow

• Yan (hopefully)

I was reading up on this here and saw the same worrying thing in this article

Following high-level negotiations to win over Washington, the resolution no longer dilutes Israel’s control over all aid deliveries to 2.3 million people in Gaza. Israel monitors the limited aid deliveries to Gaza via the Rafah crossing from Egypt and the Israeli-controlled Kerem Shalom crossing.

So basically the US delayed the resolution for 4 days while people died, so that they could argue that a UN monitoring mechanism would ‘slow’ down the process and that Israel should continue to monitor the distribution of humanitarian aid…to the same people they’ve been desimating and who need the aid.

On which planet does majority of this aid make it to the people it’s directed to? It’s just going to end up funding more bullshittery and the people who need this aid desperately have their current enemy as the gatekeeper…

Wasn’t this some aspect of the qanon stuff? I swear I’ve heard this shit in those fringes

Great read, and I got a ton of context around the German reaction to current events.

I literally just finished reading this piece, and it provides so much context to this ridiculousness

My point is that that standard is fucking horrible on either side.

Without question. This is the scary part when it comes to “after the conflict”. There is an entire population of people for whom violence on this level has been normalized; but vilifying the people caught up in their respective propaganda machines and the machinations of their respective governments isn’t going to mend fences down the line. At the geo-political level, they may shake hands and even settle differences one day…but the familiarity with intense violence will need to be reckoned with and reconciled for the general population on both sides.

I agree with you on both points. Whats missing is the difference in definition of “war crime” and “atrocity” by the average citizen. These polls weren’t conducted solely on politicians, dignitaries, intellectuals, and the like.

If you don’t recognize an act as a war crime any more because of your lived experience. Are you able to willfully apply (or not apply) that label correctly?

Again, thinking about why the poll reflects the attitude towards Hamas + atrocities. Its not a matter of tit-for-tat I think; that is, its not “well they’ve been committing these ‘atrocities’ against us, so us doing it to them is valid/justified”. I think its “things have been happening and i don’t know what a war crime is, so when we do the same thing to them it can’t be a war crime…can it?”

In order for “deliberate denial of atrocities” to apply, you have to recognize an atrocity first and then deliberately deny it. Undoubtedly, the case amongst most intellectuals inside Gaza is that they recognize it very well. But I’d argue it isn’t true for the average citizen on either side of the fence. I’m talking about the people that are watching all this unfold from inside the border, Israelis and Palestinians. Shop keepers, taxi drivers, etc.

In fact, I’d wager that if a similar poll was conducted on Israeli citizens they’d most likely have a similar response to “did the IDF commit atrocities”. Its status quo over there. I’m not debating if these people are right or wrong in their thinking, I imagine there’s a whole conversation to be had around the notion.

So while it is definitely not right to say that Hamas did not commit war crimes or that they aren’t responsible for atrocities, I think its important to understand (and not vilify) that the very definitions we’re using for those terms may not be consistent inside that particular region. And that this should play into our accounting for why only 10% of Palestinians think Hamas committed war crimes.

That’s it. That last line, that’s all I’ve been trying to say

Dude, maybe I’m not explaining myself properly because I feel like we’re talking about two different things.

You said you “understand why Palestinians support terrorism while locked in a purgatory of occupation and imprisonment” if you understand this, then do you think their (meaning the average person) definitions of certain terms may be different to what we see?

If my definition of normal is not your definition of normal then can you judge the “normalcy”?

Again, I’m not saying this excuses behavior. But I do think it sheds light on why the poll is at 10%. The average Palestinian has seen copious amounts of indiscriminate violence (as has the average Israeli resident), do you reckon they might have a different bar for what constitutes a war crime or atrocity based on what they’ve been seeing around them for years?

Personally, I think this low poll numbers speaks more to what people are defining as an atrocity over there. Shits gotten so bad that murder is common.

As for talking points…man, I want to apologize for that. I felt myself getting emotionally invested in this back and forth and really shouldn’t have said that. I think “apologist” just triggered me because it’s gained a bit of a stigma

You’re missing the point. For whatever it’s worth, I do agree with what you’ve written here. But what I’m talking about is perspective in understanding why the opinion polls shows the numbers they do.

What I’m NOT talking about is it being an excuse for behaviour. Surely you can understand why attitudes and opinions might differ between geographic regions and due to history.

Get off your soapbox, and try to understand why people think the way they do. You may come closer to actually understanding the nuances of reality instead of cocooning yourself in talking points. It’s all about relative perspective if you want to understand numbers being thrown around

Edit:

Just to be more clear, what I’m talking about is the difference between

“Hundreds of Israeli civilians had it coming for the crime of existing, I’m glad that they were gunned down by a terrorist attack, this isn’t a war crime in the least.”

And

“Hundreds of civilians have been killed for years, I’ve seen it happening and nothing has changed over a reasonable period of time. I guess this isn’t a war crime.”