For those that seek an African perspective on the matter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5uzxV8ub9k

Sovereign countries can’t choose their allies? Really? When long-time neutral countries have decided that not even being neutral will protect them anymore from invasion, your answer is that they should be invaded?

History started only in the 2000s for you. I understand.

You don’t care about the invaded people.

Putting just randomly invading Ukraine. No interests, no security concerns, no geopolitics involved, am I right?

Oh so you don’t care about the people then, got it.

Oh so you don’t care about Israelis, just letting the Palestinians take hostages, got it.

Russian military bases are visible on google maps

https://kyivindependent.com/missile-strikes-kursk-apartment-building-russian-official-claims/

I guess this building was also seen on Google maps

Ukrainian troops have been training in nato countries since close to the beginning of the war

It’s one thing to train and supply a force, it’s another man that supply

The NATO long range missiles are dependent on (NATO) satalite intelligence, meaning the west provides targets to Ukraine. Also apparently the NATO provided systems take a while to learn, so NATO personell has to be mounting them. How this is not considered a direct involvement of NATO and a major escalation is beyond me. Fucken libs are gonna get everyone killed, just to make a nice dividend on their defense stock

Can you explain why supporting US interests in the middle east is bad (among others arms sales in “Israel”), but supporting US interests in Ukraine (arms sales, privatization) is good somehow?

Free Palestine, Fuck NATO.

NATO expansion

Even with a treaty in place, why would Ukraine not trying to become stronger with the Russian threat?

Because “getting stronger” in this context means militarily. Why would you want to bolster your military, when the Minsk treaty guarantees safety from russia? Not implementing the treaty and continued prospect of joining NATO, bolstering Ukraines military antagonized Russia, as they saw that the Minsk agreement got ignored. Merkel admitting that it was just to buy time, proved the Russians right.

You can stop, I don’t think BE will notice you

I did you even acknowledged the example of banning beards but then pretend like you weren’t given evidence.

I acknowledged it, by telling you to focus on proving cultural genocide in the first place. No, targeting bearded people that espouse violent Muslim interpretations of Islam in order to “correct” their beliefs to non violent interpretation does not constitute cultural genocide (even if wasnt fully informed on the targeting of ideologically violent bearded people. That maybe constituting racial profiling, but not cultural genocide)

No there aren’t.

There are like this source BE uses https://medium.com/@sunfeiyang/breaking-down-the-bbcs-visit-to-hotan-xinjiang-e284934a7aab

denying the Genocide

Nothing to deny. You haven’t proved it.

They also used the time to become stronger. But that was not the goal of Minsk.

Yea it was to bring peace. Why would you want “to become stronger”, when part of the peace agreement was to become a buffer zone to NATO? Why else would the Russians else have signed it? How do you explain that with Merkel saying that it was just to buy time? Wouldn’t the Russians feel betrayed/played if it wasn’t implemented for peace, but just to stall them?

Another argument debunked another goalpost moved.

You haven’t addressed how you can see arabic everywhere, uyghur being an official language, and that there’s a shitton of mosques there and how it constitutes cultural genocide. If you culture is to stab people, then fuck your culture.

Far too much evidence to deny

Far little context taken into account

the person which just spent time reading your worthless links is now ‘not serious’.

No because if youd have looked at the “worthless” link you’d know that the primary sources BE provides are contextualized there already.

Sie hat diese Zeit hat auch genutzt, um stärker zu werden, wie man heute sieht.

It [Ukraine] also used this time to become stronger, as we can see today.

You have to prove cultural genocide is happening, not the ban of beards. Put your efford there.

Yes there are. The heavy military guarding around the area is what’s very noteworthy.

Heavily militarized synagogues in western countries means that it’s with the knowledge of “the genocide in palestine” and pretty obvious there’s something fishy going on. This is what I mean with gradual crackdown on religion. Sorry I cannot take you serious here.

Your link wants to reference article 14 which focuses on re-education but the preceding one doesn’t look great

What’s your approach on how to deal with people that go stabbing people around them and are supported by your geopolitical rival?

BadEmpanada A single testimony

I’m going to take you even less serious now and choose not to continue this conversation anymore.

time to mature

You mean “time to become stronger” i.e. prepare for war and not implement minsk II (why would you want to “become stronger” if not prepare for war; it’s in contradiction with implementing minsk)

Show me the original interview where Merkel said that.

“Hatten Sie gedacht, ich komme mit Pferdeschwanz?”

Die Zeit

7. Dezember 2022

https://archive.md/c4ZVK

Merkel: Das setzt aber voraus, auch zu sagen, was genau die Alternativen damals waren. Die 2008 diskutierte Einleitung eines Nato-Beitritts der Ukraine und Georgiens hielt ich für falsch. Weder brachten die Länder die nötigen Voraussetzungen dafür mit, noch war zu Ende gedacht, welche Folgen ein solcher Beschluss gehabt hätte, sowohl mit Blick auf Russlands Handeln gegen Georgien und die Ukraine als auch auf die Nato und ihre Beistandsregeln. Und das Minsker Abkommen 2014 war der Versuch, der Ukraine Zeit zu geben. Anm. d. Red.: Unter dem Minsker Abkommen versteht man eine Reihe von Vereinbarungen für die selbst ernannten Republiken Donezk und Luhansk, die sich unter russischem Einfluss von der Ukraine losgesagt hatten. Ziel war, über einen Waffenstillstand Zeit zu gewinnen, um später zu einem Frieden zwischen Russland und der Ukraine zu kommen. Sie hat diese Zeit hat auch genutzt, um stärker zu werden, wie man heute sieht.

(Translated): Merkel: But that requires saying what exactly the alternatives were at the time. I thought the idea of ​​Ukraine and Georgia joining NATO, which was discussed in 2008, was wrong. The countries did not have the necessary prerequisites for this, nor had the consequences of such a decision been fully considered, both with regard to Russia’s actions against Georgia and Ukraine and to NATO and its mutual assistance rules. And the Minsk Agreement in 2014 was an attempt to give Ukraine time. Editor’s note: The Minsk Agreement is a series of agreements for the self-proclaimed republics of Donetsk and Luhansk, which had broken away from Ukraine under Russian influence. The aim was to gain time through a ceasefire in order to later achieve peace between Russia and Ukraine. It also used this time to become stronger, as we can see today.

Classifying parts of religion you don’t like because you have to “combat terrorism” and assimilate your colonized population… where have I heard that one before…

Condoning radical parts of religion because forbidding them reminds of the cultural genocide that’s happening at home

And making it look like a classic Chinese temple instead of an Uyghur one? Cultural preservation in full force.

Imagine the headlines if left alone and the collapsing building kills a worshiper

Wearing a long beard? Terrorism!

The less radical Imam not falling into the western narrative in the video you linked to says that no religious repression is happening and denies that beards are banned. BBC provides no evidence and just points at a random ripped paper and says beards are banned because it says so there lol Instead you link me a video showing me how it even contradicts yourself. How do you like the timestamp, where the youtuber “sees 4-5 mosques just walking around the city center” and concludes “you can’t say that there aren’t any mosques here”. Which he concludes the same thing again further down the video you posted. https://youtu.be/dHxzLogzqkU?feature=shared&t=2085

How do you not see the contradiction, that you say cultural genocide, yet you can see arabic written all over the buildings in your own provided link? Poor guy couldnt fly his drone over the mosque. Have you tried flying a drone over a synagogue in any western country?

At least read the context I provided you earlier https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang

Cultural Genocide is not equal to full on literal israel style delete everyone you don’t like.

Not what I was saying. I was saying that the same voices that say a “cultural genocide” is happening in China, are saying no genocide (not cultural, but the actual extermination of people) is happening in Palestine.

Altering appearances of mosques to make them appear Chinese is an incredibly visually obvious step to slow-boiling the frog.

Or you know, altering the building in a way it doesn’t crash on its worshipers i.e. renovating.

Sinicization involves aligning religion to Chinese culture, and can also extend to adherence to the nation’s political ideology and rules.

Like any fucking religion has to adhere to their host country. Basically it means if your interpretation of Islam is some radical shit where go stab random ass people you can get lost like they did with the western backed ETIM (Based)

Also you seem to have a very narrow understanding of culture. You haven’t addressed even how the language and cultural practices aren’t banned. Slow boiling the frog my ass

Semantics are important with words like “imperialism”, “capitalism” and other isms.

Xinjiang so I linked him this damning compilation.

Xinjiang has 1 mosque per ~500 Muslims and one of the highest densities with 25k mosques total

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mosques_in_China

Your (western) article makes an “analysis of 2,312 mosques once featuring Islamic architecture shows that three-quarters have been modified or destroyed since 2018.”

Which 1) is not that many compares to the total amount. 2) Has an interest in focussing on “modified” (i.e. renovated) and destroyed ones to make the 3/4 figure 3) apparently has access to that data, but refuses to list the total amount of destroyed ones.

Also cultural genocide is when Uyghur is an official languages and also used publicly everywhere. Cultural genocide is when you can freely practice your religion everywhere. Cultural genocide is when all Muslim majority visited the region and had no complaints. Apparently genocide on Muslims is not happening in Palestine (said by the same voices that do say it’s happening in China)

You might want to consider the context a bit (also with western sources): https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang