Oh word? Because every time I see literally “not murder children”

Are you people being paid? I’ve seen this “question” like 15 times.

Um. They absolutely did but not what you wish they did.

Well they’re fascist, I’m not sure why you expect them to be consistent or logical

I’m not downplaying the deaths of 10,000 people or that 30,000 have been injured. There are over a million displaced and over 2 million Palestinians live in Gaza, more in the West Bank and more in the surrounding countries.

Israel cannot win this. It is impossible to accomplish their genocide. That’s after weeks of bombing spending who knows how much on munitions. Logistically it’s impossible.

That’s entirely fair.

But I disagree that this isn’t the appropriate post for this discussion. A few weeks ago there was a Jewish synagogue leader murdered which made national news (Samantha Woll). She sounds like she was a beautiful soul and her death is a tragedy. Apparently, it was not a hate crime but standard levels of violence in American society.

I know why the story was national news. It serves a narrative. That narrative is dangerous. I think that narrative is going to lead us to a very dark place. I think this article is part of that narrative.

I’m so desperate for any one in power to do something, I’ll take this anyway

No, that is not correct. I genuinely believe there is an increase in anti semitism. I have seen it myself.

I am also disgusted at how irresponsibly people have been using that term. Representatives of the Israeli government get on cable news networks and any criticism of the genocide is met with claims of anti semitism. There are many people who are Nazis, not just garden variety fascists, but actually want to murder all Jewish people. Diminishing the weight and meaning of the term is encouraging these shits and it’s going to be a real problem.

I want to elaborate on the Russian airport. Those Jewish people left that community to join the apartheid in Palestine, willingly. They participated in it, willingly. Given compulsory military service, some on that plane took part in the violence (Don’t look into how many sexual abusers use birthright citizenship to evade justice or how they might be evading conscription into the Russian military). They were wealthy enough to get on an airplane and leave as their country began a violent oppression using the military. There are many reasons to be angry and violent towards the settlers that are not the fact that they are Jewish. People can be angry with them just based on the actions they have taken. Mossad very famously tracked and murked perpetrators of the genocide when they fled justice, were those anti-German hate crimes? Also, the footage I saw was people wanting to confront the people on the plane and the police fucking them up, is that a hate crime?

I get that’s a spicy take for many people. There has been, for decades, bleating from the Israeli government about anti semitism. And they feed that through “reputable news sources” like Reuters. As for why I don’t trust them, see Shireen Abu Akleh’s murder and the reporting that followed.

I know what narrative they want. So I want evidence when they make these claims.

They cite the airport in Russia. Those people were explicitly carrying Palestinian flags and targeting the fleeing colonists, people who actively were on the side of the regime in Israel.

I’d like to see the posts. And in fairness I’ve seen a lot of Nazi shit pop up on posts so anecdotally I believe anti semitism is increasing.

However, I despise the Israeli government and I’ve been called all sorts of shit for it. So I’m sceptical.

I get your trying to help but you’re missing the point

This is from 2002 and the source is the Israeli army. I’m exhausted of you assholes.

I keep seeing this question and I’m in disbelief anyone is actually parroting this in good faith.

Not genocide? Can they not do genocide? There are a million different options to combat terrorism but right wing governments only know how to send in shock troops into civilian populations. Just because these assholes are assholes doesn’t mean this is the only option.

If there were to be an actual ban on firearms that starts with the police, I would support it.

Republicans passed the mulford act in California.

I don’t think you read my comment. I didn’t mention mental illness. And I explained how access to firearms will not be restricted to those who commit the violence.

I would prefer to live in a country with no guns but that is not the reality we live in. And it will not be the reality no matter how many laws get pressed. They will be selectively enforced by a fascist police force.

In Colorado, there is a magazine capacity limit of 15 rounds. The police choose not to enforce this. You can walk into any gun store and buy a drum magazine holding 150 rounds. In a metropolitan area with probably the most horrific mass shootings. The only time it will ever be a crime is when the police murder a brown person with a magazine holding more than 15 rounds.

I understand you want to live in a safe community and don’t want to read news about mass shooters every week. I think you should accept this and act accordingly, don’t bring a knife to a gun fight. The people who hold power do not care and laws they would implement would not stop the violence and would disenfranchise vulnerable communities.

On the contrary. I believe the tools of violence are the only things that will allow us to protect lives.

Gun control has historically been used as a tool to oppress further those who resist oppression. You can see it today, every murder by the police is defended with “they reached for my gun” or “they had a gun”. The gun control laws you want will be enforced by the police and they will be enforced selectively against minorities. The atrocities you reference are almost universally committed by right wing straight white men. I can assure you no gun control will stop them from acquiring firearms.

There is an explicit example of this in Israel today. The settlers are allowed and encouraged to possess firearms while the Palestinians are explicitly disallowed.

It’s ahistoric to say that gun control will save lives. This country only implemented gun control when indigenous and black people began carrying firearms in self defense. Many black men concealed carried pistols to defend against lynchings which is how we have concealed carry restrictions. Because it became illegal to conceal carry, the lynchings continued. Atrocities continue.

I am against gun control laws and this blood is not on my hands.

It is absolutely a loaded question. The question is not whether Israel should exist or if we should accept what Hamas says about the state of Israel. The question is do Jewish people support the actions of the Israeli government.

Very scientific. Ask them a loaded question I don’t care about that isn’t on the table. Then you’re pretty sure they’ll all answer the same way. Do you see how that is anti semitic? Do you think all Jewish people are the same?

You people are so historically ignorant.

They don’t leave because they know what will happen when they leave because Israel has done this before. Israel will seize the land and their homes and will continue to bomb them in a more dense space. So if they are going to die they choose to die in their homes and not a concentration camp.

Criticizing Israel is the opposite of being anti semitic. It’s an acceptance that the state does not represent all Jewish people and an acceptance that ethnicity and religion are not a monolith and that these do not exempt a person from being a piece of shit