The US is an imperialist hypocrite of a country. Like that is just a damn fact. As you point out though, the issues leftists, not in these spaces, have with places like hexbear, and ml, is the fact that they back authoritarian regimes like China. China who is in the process of the US playbook of economic imperialism with their BRI. They are committing a genocide, they are exploiting much poorer countries, to hold them in economic dependency, and they are discussing annexing land they do not own any longer, and haven’t for a long time now. No I am not talking about Taiwan.

They are making so many similar moves to the US post WWII, and have an economy that is dependent on allowing capitalism, to the point that they have a billionaire class second only to the US. While the US is growing its police/surveillance state, China is leagues ahead on that one. The big thing China doesn’t have, is something similar to the massive global infrastructure the US developed to be able to deploy, and supply, its military in a time frame measured in hours. China is trying to develop something along these lines, but it has the US/NATO super structure all ready in place, it will have to, at least partially, displace. This will not be easy.

This person is saying Putin wants the territory back, not the government system. They even say the statement was hyperbolic.

don’t forget capitalism, capitalism is the real religion, and the dollar is it’s icon.

Have you ever petitioned your local legislators, or even contacted them? That is a starting point. You also search out what political initiatives are local to you, what political organizations are, and you look for ones already working for things that would benefit men. Things like groups pushing for better coverage of mental health care, groups that work to get popular media to discuss mental health, and work for better media representation of mental health care. There are plenty of these, and if none seem to be working for men’s interests, since you joined, you now have a opening to present data to get them to do so, etc. Everyone who wasn’t already a public figure, when the went on youtube, was in the same position. You could look for youtubers who are already doing just this, like for real, and not just grifting manosphere stuff, and push their channel to places.
Fuck, find channels that discuss mens’ issues, and mental health, in a real way, and go push them in manosphere places.

There is a lot you can. You have to take the initiative, you have to figure out what is out there, you have to figure out how to interact with them, etc. It’s not easy.

Are you trying to say that it is impossible to change?

I didn’t say only by men, there is more comments for context to that statement you are leaving out, I said men have had most of the control through out history, so they have, by far, the greatest influence

There is a lot of misandry in conservatism, and liberalism, and leftism. However, the root for it differs from conservatism, and the other two position. While it isn’t a huge talking point, I wouldn’t say it is not something that is really ignored. Maybe it is so in “pop” leftist media? Like breadtube type stuff?

I wasn’t trying to imply that men’s spaces, on various fora, were the only ones with bad behavior. I was pointing out that, when a lot of these places were shut down, a lot of them cried misandry because x misandrist forum is still up. However, when you look at the situation, it wasn’t the misogynistic conversation that got them banned, it was the actions they coordinated on their fora. I have also seen a number of misandrist spaces get shut down too. Again though, it was because they refused to stop bad actions on their forum, and moderate it out.

Yes liberals, and leftists, should know better. Unfortunately you are broaching a subject with A LOT of strong emotional value to it. It is awful that there are, practically, no support groups for male victims of rape, and, even though there is often no indicator it is only for women, they are pushed out of those places because a lot of those women, straight up, are afraid of men. Men have traumatized them to the point where they cannot feel safe around them, and/or get a visceral reaction to a strange man being there. And yes, there is a lot of resentment in these communities towards men. They are mentally, and often physically, scarred by the actions of men. It isn’t fair, but these emotions, trauma responses, etc. are not rational. They are real though, and they are exceedingly difficult to deal with. It is actually very difficult for them to truly view men as, mostly, decent human beings, because of trauma. Especially so because men are responsible for damn near all sexual violence, and homicide.

This isn’t easy. There are no clear ways to deal with this situation. However, men are the root cause of most of it. As you have pointed out, the men higher on the hierarchy are incentivized, in many ways, to maintain this status quo. That is a class conflict situation, between those lower on the hierarchy, and the men who are in control. As more women come into power, both in government, and in the commercial/industrial world, things will change. Exactly how is yet to be seen.

You have to blame the men in charge, but also yourself, your upbringing, and realize you need to work on personal betterment just as much as trying to help other men. Real help, not just creating safe spaces to bitch about chads, and hate on women. Simply creating a place to support men, with actual counseling in mind, that diverts from just blaming women, will actually make things better, demographically. This social capital idea you have isn’t the all encompassing thing you think it is. I have seen very meh looking men, who were fucking homeless, and jobless, in relationships with women. Having support groups, that are just not echo chambers of hate, and instead are implementing counseling methods, that certified people use, that you have researched yourself (do not call yourself a councilor, or claim any professional expertise, diagnosis, etc. just offer as help, man to man, with the increased knowledge) will, broadly, increase other men’s sense of self. This will increase their personal confidence. This will lead to personal betterment. Then you push to branch out.

The idea that men need serious fucking help is already out there. Has been for a good while. It is slowly manifesting into society being more accepting of seeking mental health care, men processing their emotions, etc. Like I said, it is slow, but it is happening. If you are so inclined, do real research into the problems men face in society, like academic research, there is a lot out there to read through, and write a book. Maybe start a podcast, or YT channel. Sure you might not get anywere, but you got stuff out there, in the collective space, for others to see. Which is orders of magnitude more than any MRA, redpill, or incel community has done. Those communities just make the situation worse. They blame women, and even when they discuss men in power enforcing this, they just go “well this is a monumental task to change. Instead I will just stew, in this toxic echo chamber.” While they are just making people advocating for reform for the betterment of men look bad. Look for people who want to publicly advocate reform. From the soap box, and maybe, eventually, to the larger public domain.

I just wanted specified examples so that I could look them up.

In the city I used to live in, in the early 2000s, there was a big thing when a video of a men’s support group, for mental health, came out where the organizer was on a very misogynistic rant. This place also had limited shelter for men who were homeless due to things like divorce. Soon after it got shut down. Not long after that, a video of a women’s support group, for rape victims, came out, and it had members there going on similar rants towards men. So there was a heap of shit about it, and that group lost the lease to the space they used, and no one else would let them in. It was very much pushed as “you shut down the men, you need to shut down the women” thing.

Few months later the guy on the tape, along with like 1/3 of the people associated with that group, at that time, were indicted for a variety of crimes. Namely the organized stalking, and harassment of women. Mostly ex’s of the members, but some others for different reasons. Most of them were convicted. This is why it was shut down. Not because of the tape. So the women’s support group was targeted, and pushed out, because people believe they were getting quid pro quo for the men’s group. Only for it to show it was organized, criminal, behavior that got it shut down, not their misogyny. So, in the end, these women lost their space because of a far lesser wrong, in the name of equality.

Also, I hear a lot about how men’s online spaces are shut down more than women’s. Both being bigoted towards the other. However, when I looked into the post discussing them getting shut-down it was always because they were doing something extra, like brigading other places, stalking, and harassing, other women on the site, and posting lots of public calls for illegal activities. They generally given more than one chance to snuff that shit out too, they just didn’t. Where as most of the awful femcel kinda places either didn’t that far, didn’t organize like that on their space, or were warned and then the mods started shutting that shit down.

So I always have my suspicions with this topic. Not that it hasn’t happened, as you say, but, the majority I have seen, weren’t shutdown for such simple reasons. Though they all had people crying about how they got shut down for misogyny, yet x place with femcels didn’t.

Can you give me specific instances so that I may scrutinize the situations?

Obviously, however that doesn’t make it not a problem with men. We still need a collective introspection, and course correction.

Well, if she gets the hyper conservative, very old school, way of doing things, that she wants, you wont have to worry about seeing, or hearing, her again. She will be in the house, and not be allowed to be in the government. I mean she won’t even be able to vote.

Not prostitutes. A lot of these groups believe we need to go back to when women were literally their property. You got a women because it created bonds within the community, and they often paid you to take her.

Then correct my aim.

Yeah, that’s right on the nose there.

Yes, there are instances where men’s support groups have shut down, due to misogyny, and there are women’s support groups that did not, despite being misandrists. Guess who is the primary factor in the creation of this society in which this happens?

People become lonely, disaffected, and negative towards the world they live in. They then reach out to other communities, and due to one thing, or another, primarily their personality, they don’t get accepted. However, communities based around hate will gladly take them in, as long as they fit a profile they are looking for.

"Are you a young, white, male, that is dissatisfied with their life, and the world? Well, we accept you here. These things are not your fault, it is the fault of others. You aren’t the reason you cannot get a relationship with a women, it is the women who are fault for this. The reason it is so hard to get a good paying job? Immigrants. Why is housing so expensive, and hard to get, at least anywhere with a large enough job market to really advance somewhere? The Jews. Why can’t you rise on the corporate ladder where you work? Progressive policies… also jews, and immigrants. You are a white man, you should be rightfully at the top of the hierarchy. Women should be given, by their fathers, to men, on a mutually beneficial, transactional, basis. Women should submit to your authority. "

Or, in the case of incels “Are you depressed? Have no friends? No social life? No relationship with a woman? Are you an adult virgin, loser? Well that is because women are evil. We will accept you, unlike the evil female species.”

The biggest reason support groups for men aren’t well supported, is due to men enforcing the ideas of stoic machismo onto men. This leads to numerous things, one is a lack of support for men who are struggling, failing, lonely, whatever. Men aren’t allowed to discuss their feelings because men have created a society that looks at them as losers for doing so. This is, very slowly, changing though.

The problem with a lot of men’s right advocacy is that is really does end up being misogynist. Most men’s right spaces I have encountered want to blame women for being lonely, for failing to make a family, etc. Meanwhile it is men that have had the primary hand in creating society, and it has been that way for thousands of years. We can’t really affect change if we don’t recognize that this is a bed that we made. If we are not happy lying in it, then we need to change, not women. I am also saying not saying women are just perfectly fine. Clearly everyone can have serious negative issues due to life. However, as it stands, the problems we believe are brought on by society, are the constructs of men.

When you come across an actual fascist you need to cut that shit out like cancer. Back in the day, when I was young, fascists of multiple flavors, and other WP/ethno state, groups would attach themselves to music scenes I was interested in. So they would show up to venues for those scenes. They would initially just chill, and be cordial, and if they didn’t get forced out, they would start coming more often, and bringing more of their fascist friends. This leads to the venue being a nazi hang-out. Everyone else sees that they are there, no one is forcing them out, and they stop showing up, because they don’t want to hang in the same space as these shit people.

So when they did show up, they got forced out, often with violence. It works. After being beat up a few times, they move on. Eventually they end up in their own place, and everyone knows it is the nazi club, and avoids it. This isn’t to say they didn’t make pests of themselves beyond this, but they didn’t come around as often, and when they did they made it clear they were there to start fights. Start fights… or gather in their trucks/vans, drive down into the city, and wait around outside of gay venues for a lone gay person, then drive up to them, jump out and attack them.

Their ideology requires violence in the end. So they should be treated as an inevitable source of violence. There is no place for paradoxical tolerance.

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