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I appreciate the empathy you are showing and considering my perspective. I don’t quite understand the sentence about when you’re saying both sides applies…

My point is there is no both sides when you read this article. Hamas broke into Israel and raped and murdered unarmed people point blank (they didn’t bomb). And then they butchered babies. That should be unequivocally stated and Hamas condemned.

Hamas is like Al Qaeda, like the Taliban. They are religious extremist terrorist groups. Not freedom fighters. They should not be receiving sympathy. You should be consoling the victims of this crime only.

For example, in USA national news, someone recently kidnapped a little girl from a camping site. Then the police found the kid in the trailer (alive). The news article did not say what a hard life the kidnapper had before he took the kid. It focused on the victim and the victim’s family.

Right now, everyone is saying “poor both sides”. No - Hamas murdered babies and beheaded them. This thread is filled with people who refuse to focus on the victims - the Israeli children. As if they are subhuman. It’s so fucking disturbing.

Musings and thought experiments can come later.

You are literally batshit insane. Look at any of my comments and I am saying don’t look at Hamas as Palestinian. So, I am not conflating them… what an idiot you are. Tone it down a notch.

You also advocated “why not both?” But I see what you’re saying.

Are you saying not to let terrorism dehumanize Jews?

Guess these were soldier babies? I found the open air apartheid babies comment.

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It’s sad you feel entitled to an opinion when it’s obvious you use infotainment as your primary source of information/news. To call what I taught you about Nazi views and Mengle experiments on humans nonsense… now I know you are not arguing in any informed manner or good faith.

Hope you get informed before you hurt your friends with your ignorance IRL.

So then you say “I condemn those who murdered the babies” not a version of “they had it coming”. Which is what you’re saying if you read this and post “I feel bad for the people who killed them”.

It’s the opposite of losing humanity when you can condemn murder. That is called accountability. When you excuse the murders that is victim blaming and shaming.

For someone who is arguing for both and, you have a hard time with nuance. It doesn’t help you see clearly. I would argue that it is your humanity that is lost - numbed. You’re afraid to feel the true pain of this and acknowledge who did it.

So these babies worked for the state? These are state sponsored babies?

That’s incorrect and also antisemitic.

Jews are ethnoreligious. They are an ancient indigenous people with indigenous practices, which predates their religion. The religion was born from the practices. To discount them as modern is false.

The Nazis used race to explain character traits and justify their crimes against populations, using race to say that it physically made other races more weak and less intelligent than white race, “scientifically”. That is patently false and disproven. But they used Mengele’s inhumane experiments to try to further that cause. It is in many ways the ultimate expression of white supremacy.

People do not accept that propaganda. They are confused by information like what you’ve shared, rather.

The point you need to learn and teach is to separate the people from the government. Which if you read my other comments, I do with the Palestinian people. I’m careful to condemn the terrorist groups and government, not the people they use as shields and victims. Right now, Israel is trying to secure a corridor to evacuate Gazans. But the problem is that terrorists are using child soldiers. It’s Israeli lives, not religious extremists, that are sacrificed when terrorists embed themselves with their people and then blow them up. However, people online are not able to grasp the concept. Because media reporting is deeply problematic.

The problem is that religious Jews don’t practice hate. There is nothing inherently wrong with a Jewish state. The problem is that religious extremism has taken root in the country, and it is used in a similar manner as in the USA to oppress everyone. Many people don’t want it. But like in the USA, progressive populations have a very difficult time organizing, and with a spine. So the extremists don’t, because their hate and fear unite them. Bibi has made an unholy alliance. Like in the US, something needs to change.

But you need to be honest - religious extremism is everywhere. This is the same hot topic in the United States, which already considers itself One Nation Under God. A country that expressly separates church from state still has these issues.

So, there’s your class for the day.

And there’s the “what about”ism.

Yeah… no. Killing babies is bad period mmmkay.

Leaving this from the Reddit thread, since it was put so well:

I look forward to seeing how this is excused, justified, and quietly cheered on by some of our fine members. No doubt the babies were “guards” in the “open air prison” and were in fact apartheid babies.

And hey, you can’t blame people for murdering dozens of babies, as long as those people have hard lives. And of course being known as the sort of people who would murder a bunch of babies has NOTHING to do with why they have hard lives.

Edit: Ok so far the top winners are, in no particular order:

“They had it coming”

“I’m not saying that they had it coming, but they had it coming.”

“Give peace a chance.”

And my favorite, the short lived “It didn’t happen.”

The end is that babies were mass murdered. That is unequivocally BAD. And universally terrible. It’s something evil that, let’s say Nazis, terrorists do.

Look, I’m angry too. It’s a difficult time to be Jewish because there is a boat load of antisemitism and hate online. And in person.

Apparently it’s not cool to hate black or Asian people, but it’s totally cool to hate Jewish people, even when it’s a thread about how terrorists literally mass murder their babies. No one is saying they are sorry. They are saying poor Palestinians.

Pretty fucking callous.

But let’s not lose sight there are folks caught between radicalism. Blanket statements help no one.

You’re beyond out of touch. Are you from the region?

Would you call systemic racism in the USA a blood feud? Would you call white supremacy a blood feud? I think all the words you’re using don’t mean what you think they mean.

Did you read the article? This is absolutely not the time for “both side” ism. It’s time to condemn a clear atrocity.

What the hell are you even talking about. You’re just using talking points.

Media loves Palestinians. Guess what - Hamas, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, they all love when you conflate them with the poor Palestinians. But they are separate. Palestinians get screwed by Hamas, etc. Western media coverage is deeply problematic. You should know this by now with all the disinformation campaigns online the past 7 years.

To answer your question, there is a shitload of sympathy for them. But you don’t get to do unrepentant violence. Raping and murdering babies.

Please do not ignore Palestinian leaders who steal aid from their own people, brainwash their children to hate Jews, and spout rhetoric that the Jews caused the Holocaust.

Please do not reduce it to a blood feud. It only shows you’re a morally outraged outsider and got no clue. This is hate and racism. It’s middle eastern politics. It’s a proxy war, and it’s a tale of having democracy in a deeply corrupt and autocratic region.

The best thing you can do is stay out of it and stick to your peaceful talking point. Because that’s what we need. Not more uneducated “advocates.” It serves no one.

I admire that you’ve come with facts. Hopefully people will actually learn rather than parrot the narrative.

Like, Iran and Syria planned this. They literally gas their own people. They just brutally attacked hundreds of innocent people. How is Lemmy apologizing a clear atrocity? How can you be so frickin callous and blind to the hate?

It’s like going to New Yorkers on 9/11 saying, “yeah, it was inevitable” and then blaming Wall Street or some sort of thing.

Poland is not perfect. Yes, they did support. However, they have always been a bit xenophobic and insular. It’s kind of like that wacky uncle or person in your community. Really nice as long as you avoid certain subjects. Like the Holocaust. It was only a matter of time. Idk why they think they need to make this move. Why not support the clear war front - keep it from advancing further to your doorstep.

Anti-choice you mean. And I don’t know but they should charge that stupid cop with everything they can.

What an ignorant hot take.

She was clearly afraid when they surrounded her and drew their weapons. I mean, my god she’s black and pregnant, and surrounded by cops harassing her for a false accusation. She was terrified it was the end. It’s not her fault. It’s theirs. And she can’t take it back. Read the damn article. It went against policy for that cop to stand in front of the car in the first place.

Further, this is why cops shouldn’t even fucking have guns. They are too dumb and quick to agro to realize they shouldn’t draw it ever. Especially for such a low stakes, stupid crime. When you start with the gun, it can only get worse.