I was wondering if there were systems in place for users to report mods who are just ignoring the code of conduct and just abusing their power of moderator as a whole?

I’ve seen that we could get in touch via Mastodon, but I don’t have an account for that unfortunately and I was curious to know if there were other ways

  • gravityowl@lemm.eeOPEnglish
    413·
    9 days ago

    I posted here because it happened on lemmy.ml

    But sadly, considering this is not the first time I’ve had the displeasure of interacting with your run of the mill, power tripping mod from ml, I won’t hold my breath waiting for their assistance I guess.

    It sucks that such a large instance as no accountability though. I’d imagine it must sucks for new users having to learn on their own to be aware of the usual instances

      • gravityowl@lemm.eeOPEnglish
        68·
        9 days ago

        As I wrote, this is not the first time I encountered such behavior. And while you might not care, I was curious to know if there were better solutions than just accepting these kind of things passively.

        To me it is wrong for such prominent instances to always be the ones getting away with this type of behavior

        • TheOubliette@lemmy.ml
          101·
          9 days ago

          Getting away with the behavior of tempbans from a single comm pointlessly insulting?

          You’ll find that on basically every instance, they’ll just have a different standard on what is an unhelpful insult and who it is okay to attack. For example, other instances will tolerate the typical American acceptance of xenophobia and .ml will not. And if you simply describe someone on .world as excusing support for genocide because they’re trying to justify advocating for someone enabling it, they’ll ban you for “misinformation” and “trolling” because their liberal partisan tendencies have been shaken.

        • jordanlund@lemmy.world
          23·
          9 days ago

          Yeah, you can take it to the .ml admins, but speaking from my own interactions with my own admins, I really doubt they’ll interfere in your favor over a 5 day ban.

        • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgEnglish
          26·
          8 days ago

          To me it is wrong for such prominent instances to always be the ones getting away with this type of behavior

          I wasn’t going to mention it, but as it’s not your first time, (removed) is more specific than !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com

          Instances known for power tripping are getting less and less popular over time

      • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
        511·
        9 days ago

        The point isn’t that they received some wild type of “punishment” they can’t come back from. The point is that having what you’re allowed to say policed in this fashion is offensive to the vast majority of people, whatever mechanism “gentle” or not is being used to enforce the policing.

        Moderation started out as a way to remove racism, spam and similar blatant abuse. Somehow, it’s grown to the point that people feel they have to hover over the shoulders of the commenters dictating what are the allowed and disallowed types of statements. Most people feel that if they think China has an oppressive government, they should be allowed to say it. And that if they think the US has an oppressive government, they should be allowed to say it. Lemmy.ml is a silly place because one of those statements is “allowed” and the other is not, which is absurd behavior that belongs better on a Fox News comment section or a US State Department web site than it does on the flagship instance of a supposedly FOSS-and-freedom friendly software project.

        • theonlytruescotsman@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          103·
          9 days ago

          Both of those statements are allowed in .ml, you just can’t repeat us state department propaganda without extreme amounts of proof to back it up. There is a difference between: “I think China is authoritarian” and “oog boog look remember that genocide that the UN investigated and found wasn’t a genocide where all the ‘victims’ that were touted are now millionaires in other countries after selling a story the UN specifically found didn’t happen… It happened!!!1!1!!1”

          • socsa@piefed.socialEnglish
            55·
            9 days ago

            I have gotten banned from .ml twice for merely stating that Russia shot down a civilian airliner in Ukraine.

            • theonlytruescotsman@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              72·
              9 days ago

              Yes that is specifically what I’m talking about, there wasn’t criticism of China, there was “oog think China bad because ( insert thing the UN found no evidence of that literally only the US ever said there was evidence of and they didn’t present that evidence ).”

                • TheOubliette@lemmy.ml
                  7·
                  9 days ago

                  Banning someone from an instance also bans them from communities they participate in. Or at least, it used to.

                  • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgEnglish
                    33·
                    9 days ago

                    That’s probably the core of the issue. People probably don’t mind being banned from !politics@lemmy.ml or !news@lemmy.ml for such statements, it’s not like it’s a surprise based on the political stance of the instance.

                    Being banned from Linux and keyboard communities seems unrelated. Which is why people are recreating those communities elsewhere.

                • theonlytruescotsman@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                  5·
                  9 days ago

                  Read the rules, if you disagree with the rules in a community, don’t participate, make your own. It’s hardly power tripping if you actively seek to violate rules clearly laid out.

          • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
            611·
            9 days ago

            And here we reach the crux of the matter.

            If I think there’s been a genocide in Xinjiang, I should be able to say so. Someone else might think that’s objectively not true, and we can talk about it. That’s actually a really healthy thing, it is an exchange of ideas. Almost no one has a monopoly on understanding the world completely, and so it’s necessary to be able to talk it back and forth. Deciding that we’re going to delete one side of that conversation is good for no one.

            I think the model that’s crept into the modern internet where discordant ideas are “enemy” ideas that everyone needs to be protected against, and there’s no point in talking with anyone you disagree with because all the two of you will do is attack each other, is poison.

            I’m happy to hear what you have to say, maybe I am wrong about this instance. When did the UN say there wasn’t a genocide and all the victims are millionaires? If you link me to the report, I would like to read it.

            Edit: Instead of pointing me to information so I can read for myself and upend my whole worldview, he chose to go back through my history downvoting a bunch of stuff including when I was talking about how to set up RSS feeds. Lol.

            • TheOubliette@lemmy.ml
              83·
              9 days ago

              Uncritically spreading xenophobic propaganda will of course get you a tut-tut of some kind. As it should.

              • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
                63·
                9 days ago

                Can you link me to the UN report where they found there was no genocide, and the so-called victims were millionaires?

                • TheOubliette@lemmy.ml
                  73·
                  9 days ago

                  https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/countries/2022-08-31/22-08-31-final-assesment.pdf

                  They don’t even mention the word genocide because that is an accusation exclusive to US propaganda think tanks and those who cite them, i.e. their funders (the US State Department and other imperialist countries’ similar state organs) and friendly media. It is baseless bullshit that can only be entertained by the ignorant.

                  If you keep searching, you will find another “UN” “report” that attacks China, but this is not the OHCR, it is the usual propaganda thing where countries invite propagandists to a meeting and have them read out accusations. It is not any kind of investigation.

                  • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
                    66·
                    9 days ago

                    How does this report find there was no genocide, if they didn’t mention the word genocide?

                    I also searched for “million” to try to find the story about all the victims being millionaires now, and I didn’t find that either. Can you or the other person who talked about that tell me more about where I can find it?

                    I did skim some of the report.

                    1. Former detainees interviewed by OHCHR had spent periods of time, generally ranging from two months to 18 months, in facilities in eight different geographic locations across XUAR, including in Ili Kazakh Autonomous Prefecture, Aksu, Bayingol, Hotan, Karamay and Urumqi prefectures.Two-thirds of the twenty-six former detainees interviewed, reported having been subjected to treatment that would amount to torture and/or other forms of ill-treatment, either in VETC facilities themselves or in the context of processes of referral to VETC facilities. These claims of mistreatment took place either during interrogations or as a form of punishment for (alleged) wrongdoing. Their accounts included being beaten with batons, including electric batons while strapped in a so- called “tiger chair”; being subjected to interrogation with water being poured in their faces; prolonged solitary confinement; and being forced to sit motionless on small stools for prolonged periods of time. Persons reporting beatings for confessions described being taken to interrogation rooms that were separate to the cells or dormitory spaces where people were staying. Over two-thirds of the individuals also reported that, prior to their transfer to a VETC facility, they were held in police stations, where they described similar instances of being beaten while also immobilised in a “tiger chair” in those facilities.
                    1. Some also spoke of various forms of sexual violence, including some instances of rape, affecting mainly women. These accounts included having been forced by guards to perform oral sex in the context of an interrogation and various forms of sexual humiliation, including forced nudity. The accounts similarly described the way in which rapes took place outside the dormitories, in separate rooms without cameras. In addition, several women recounted being subject to invasive gynaecological examinations, including one woman who described this taking place in a group setting which “made old women ashamed and young girls cry”, because they did not understand what was happening. The Government has firmly denied these claims, often through personal or gendered attacks against the women who have publicly reported these allegations.
                    1. Uyghur-majority areas represented the bulk of this decline, with two of the largest Uyghur prefectures especially affected by it. In Hotan, which is 96 per cent Uyghur, birth rates went from 20.94 per cent in 2016 to 8.58 per cent per thousand births in 2018. Similarly, the birth rate in Kashgar, which is approximately 92.6 per cent Uyghur, dropped from 18.19 per cent in 2016249 to 7.94 per cent per thousand births in 2018. Even taking into account the overall decline in birth rates in China, these figures remain unusual and stark. The same applies to the figures regarding sterilisations and IUD placements in XUAR, with official data indicating an unusually sharp rise in both forms of procedures in the region during 2017 and 2018, in comparison with the rest of China. For example, in 2018, sterilisations in XUAR stood at 243 per 100,000 inhabitants, whereas the overall figure for China was a fraction thereof at only 32.1 per 100,000 inhabitants.

                    Leaving aside the question of whether to draw the conclusion that there is a genocide, do you think that information like the stuff I just quoted from the report you just sent me is accurate?

        • jordanlund@lemmy.world
          36·
          9 days ago

          As a mod, we don’t really “hover”, we do have a queue of reported posts and reported comments and deal with them as they pop up.

          Most likely some other .ml user saw the “tankie” comment, reported it, and the .ml mod did the .ml mod thing.

          • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
            57·
            9 days ago

            I fail to see a useful distinction between me posting what I think, and a mod seeing it and deleting it, versus me posting what I think, someone reporting it, and then the mod deleting it. In both cases someone’s standing over me policing what viewpoints I’m allowed to express, which is bad.

            I actually do get why someone would want to delete “tankie,” since it could be taken as a gratuitous insult. And I do get mod fatigue and running out of care to give as an underlying issue for a lot of this. I think a big part of the underlying issue is depending on volunteer moderators to keep the whole system together and making basically unlimited demands on them. I was just talking about the general censorship problem on lemmy.ml, not trying to say that every case is always power tripping mods.