• wheels@lemmy.world
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      ok, I could look this up, but I’m asking you instead. Why is Israel’s behaviour over the last 10 years in Gaza more justified than Russia’s?

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        Because Ukraine isn’t run by a government composed of people dedicated to eliminating Russia as a nation? Because Ukraine doesn’t attack Russian civilians? Because Ukraine isn’t a terrorist organization bent on literal genocide? Because Israel hasn’t occupied any portion of Gazan territory since 2005?

        FAFO is what’s going on here for the Gazans. They fucked around, now they’re finding out. I have many criticisms of Israeli policy, but Hamas are uncivilized barbarians, murderous thugs it’s impossible to negotiate with.

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              You mean the ones who go around killing innocent Palestinians and forcing them into ghettos? The ones that routinely defend Israeli people stealing land from innocent people?

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                That’s what happens when you repeatedly lose wars you start with the intention of perpetrating genocide. FAFO

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                  So basically you are on Israel’s side because they are winning? You’re seriously a band wagon fan for Israel?

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              If you think that you are honestly delusional. Neither side here is great, you might want to check some of the stuff IDF has done for the past two decades. But you seem to brainwashed to even want to look at something that might contradict your already established view.

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          Because Ukraine isn’t run by a government composed of people dedicated to eliminating Russia as a nation? Because Ukraine doesn’t attack Russian civilians?

          What sources do you make your claims based on? Even in some US and European ones, including the most mainstream, there’ll be evidence to precisely the opposite. Not always, here and there. Let alone in the russian ones.

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      Dismiss the entire idea because of the publication it comes from (which has been know for posting things that other news outlets won’t cover). Smart.

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      The differences in support between Ukraine and Palestine really demonstrates how geopolitical actors act purely in self interest. They may talk about oppressed peoples and freedom and autonomy and all that, but when it comes to choosing sides it’s always about self interest.

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        Yes, yes, let’s all have sympathy for the genocidal terrorists in Gaza! If we only let all of them into Israel and allow them to murder or ethnically cleanse every single Jew in Israel and Palestine, there’ll be peace.

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      What makes them illegitimate? That they express a viewpoint that is opposed to the American-Israeli one?

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          The same could be said for any source. No news agency is truly independent. Every news agency is beholden to the government where it operates, its owners if it is privately owned, its advertisers if it advertises, and its subscribers if it has paid subscriptions. I’m not gonna try and argue that the Qatari government is better than any other entity to be beholden to, but there’s nothing unusually wrong about their perspective or bias either. On Middle East matters, I think it’s especially important to have a Middle East voice expressing their viewpoint.

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    Europe and US like to accuse others of everything. But they, strangely, don’t like to be accused themselves in anything