Loom In Essence

Seek therapy

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Okay, you have no compassion, just a therapy fetish.

And, um, yeah… let’s keep working on curing cancer, too.

Building communities coordinating on meaningful goals. Actual life as opposed to merely dealing with the trauma of not having a life, goals community.

No amount of therapy can ever take away those needs, or satisfy them.

I don’t want to discouraged anyone from getting therapy, but it’s definitely not a solution. Access to therapy might help people deal with the ongoing problem (and that’s a big “might”) but it will never, ever solve this big issue.

We’re doing more by having this conversation than therapy can do. As long as we keep having them and trying to develop ideas and behaviors to bring those missing things into our lives.

If these mental problems arise from the living conditions of the masses, no amount of therapy can prevent them. Many that seem incurable might just be failing to escape psyche-wrecking situations.

Even if there were enough therapists, and even if they could actually help, you’re still talking about fixing mental problems instead of preventing them.

Sure, but that patriarchy has been around for a long time and this wave of despair is new. You could probably solve some problems that way, but it’s not the solution to the big problem we’re facing here.

Rising inequality and alienation are the problems.

If it’s one big cause that applies to millions, then no, individual therapy cannot fix that massive problem.

Sure… But if there is a massive incidence of these “wounds” then therapy and self help is too little too late.

Why is nobody ITT talking about the causes of this wave of misery? We are putting all the responsibility on individual men to show their vulnerability with no interest in solving the initial problems!

Can you offer some examples of where “being vulnerable” led a man out of depression?

I do agree that there is a culture of masculine shame around mental health, and it can be unhealthy. But I’ve also seen that those who share their feelings don’t get the promotion, tend to make coworkers uncomfortable, drive women away. Life is still a competition and vulnerability is genuinely risky.

I’ve seen bullies strategically share false vulnerability to garner sympathy. Genuine vulnerability often looks gross from a man, and is unlikely to lead to positive outcomes.

Most importantly, this new wave of mental health problems is not caused by a new wave of “not being vulnerable.” It’s a societal issue and must be confronted there, not shunted onto each individual man.

Therapy is never a cure. If you have a problem then therapy can help you confront it and deal with it, but if we have a massive society-wide mental health crisis it will not be solved by each man individually seeking therapy.

We need meaning in our lives, something worth dedicating ourselves to, and the means to pursue it. Mercenary capitalism won’t provide that.

In short, I don’t see an answer. I think it will get worse.

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Most importantly, this new wave of mental health problems is not caused by a new wave of “not being vulnerable.” It’s a societal issue and must be confronted there, not shunted onto each individual man.

Is there evidence that mental healthcare lowers the chances of suicide?

Nazis only lost their empire. They’re basically terrorists themselves now, though not as well funded apparently.

Terrorism doesn’t have an empire in the same way. They don’t usually occupy an entire nation with an economy and complex professional society. The empire was crushed.

Terrorism is all underground. Do we know how it’s funded? What are the economics of terrorism? Infrastructure? They’re more slippery.

Again, why would you expect AI to write better stories than humans?

If hollywood churns out trash it’s because producers want trash. The AI will just help them churn out trash cheaper.

So how will AI fix this?

Why do you expect AI to write better scripts than “current writers”? Do you believe than humans are incapable of good writing, and we need AI to finally make the first good art to ever exist?

I have to pay someone a fair wage as if this is a commercial product I’m producing?

There’s several people in this thread arguing we should outright ban the use,

I didn’t see anyone ITT making that argument, and anyway this whole debate is specifically and explicitly about hollywood goons using AI to churn out trash without paying the talent. It’s not about some broke artist using AI to bring his vision to life. As I already said. It’s beyond straw man to treat that as the position that’s being criticized

There are already teams of humans ready to do all that stuff. AI adds nothing there. The non-artistic person with a vision can already collaborate with skilled artists.

But more importantly, we are not worried about artists using AI as a tool. We are worried about corporate goons using AI to fire all creative staff and generate manipulative trash.

The audience responds en masse by tuning in, paying up, being changed, perpetuating the ideas back into the culture through the filter of their own personality, chatting about the thing, praising or criticizing the artist.

This is an appeal to purity argument. You’ve invented some higher standard

Nope. It has absolutely nothing to do with “purity.” It has to do with humans doing the ancient human thing of making art. Dancing, singing, telling stories. You’re bringing in the abstraction of purity.

Hollywood (in its crudest aspect) is already an AI algorithm for churning out trash. That’s why I tune out already. Because it is not humans telling each other stories. It is pure corporate manipulation. More AI in the hands of producer-goons just means more corporate manipulation and less humans telling each other stories.

AI in the hands of an artist is a tool for exploring and creating. AI in the hands of corporate goons is the total opposite.