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As a wise man once said, if you wonder what you would’ve done during the Holocaust, you’re doing it now.
wut
“Nothing” The answer is nothing
In elementary school, when the teacher is teaching what the Holocaust was, someone usually raises their hand and asks “Why didn’t anyone do anything?”, hence “What would you do during the Holocaust?”. There’s something equivalent to the Holocaust happening in Gaza, and yet most people aren’t stopping it.
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Western values on full display here with pretty much every western regime openly backing this genocide.
Peak “RuLeS-bAsEd WoRlD oRdEr” moment out of the crackerverse
Don’t forget India
This will be the news that causes the USA to finally tell Israel to stop, I’m sure.
Israel is a pack of lunatics.
I have bad news about the USA.
I have worse news about China and Russia.
The world really isn’t great right now, is it?
Did you know that the prisoner-per-capita ratio in the US is higher than both Russia and China? In fact, the total number of incarcerated people (ie people in prisons and jails) in the US is 2.25 million. In Russia that number is 433,006 and in China it’s estimated at 1.7 million.
Combined that’s 2.13 million.
Those two “worse” countries combined don’t have as many people incarcerated people as the US.
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A pack or war criminals.
After they just passed a bill to give them more money? I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not but I certainly hope so.
My feeling is the US feels they are too committed now to stop and just hope that Israel will stop by itself soon.
I’m not saying I like it, but it definitely feels like that…
It’s sick that the US voted to give the Zionist regime billions on the same day that mass graves of people executed by Israeli soldiers are being uncovered.
We can still prevent that money from being released with the Leahy Law.
But we won’t.
And Blinken shamelessly calls China the muslim genociders.
Blinken has been giving me Kissinger vibes with how much he’s been supporting Israel’s genocide.
this is the one genocide even he tried to stop, and tried to get both sides to fucking chill.
and he was one of the guys behind the move to back the Khmer rouge. might’ve been his idea idr.
yeah I can’t really blame any foreign actor who blows up a bunch of Americans over this.
They have become the very same people that once herded them into ghettos.
And herded them into camps to be starved and killed for no reason other than being who they are. Took less than a century to become who they hated the most.
all palestinian violence against israel is self-defense.
Uaing that same logic, you can’t get mad when civilians are bombed then.
We got a live cracker here
Deadassed wrong; Palestine isn’t a settler-colonial abomination. There’s no call for their civilians to be bombed; and if you think there is, you might be a cracker-assed settler who needs to go back to where their ancestors came from
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You’re a few IQ points short
Opening with eugenics! Bold today, aren’t we?
and complain a lot about jews
If you had the first iota of literacy or reading comprehension, you’d see that my complaining is about Zionists, and that there’s a couple instances of my making sure that I split out a deliberated, principled difference between genocidal Zionists, and the Jews that protest their being used as a shield by those perpetrating the butchering of Palestine. Or are you one of the ones who has to conflate Judaism with Zionism to make the hasbara accusation of antisemitism when public opinion doesn’t go your way?
coon-minstrels
If you were a part of a marginalized, oppressed, still-shackled minority, and you had to watch members of your community sell out to the oppressor, shucking and jiving for them at every turn, you’d be a little bit pissed about it too-- but expecting someone like you to have any kind of empathy is kind of a tall ask; I get it.
crackers
…And? See the previous entry and try to put it together yourself.
You’ll complain about zionists and then immediately cry about lore in a video game
Do you expect anybody to fixate on the world’s ills 24/7? Not even the most diehard anticolonialist, not even the most principled communist is capable of that (and I’m FAR from the most principled, trust that), they’d burn out and become useless to the cause after that. But again, expecting you to know anything about maintenance of one’s principles and staving off the kind of nihilism neoliberalism inflicts on its atomized populace is like trying to explain particle physics to a pigeon. All you get is a shat-on table for your trouble.
Please suckstart a shotgun with your one-day-old profile havin ass; dealing with scratched crackers like you is tiring.
Even willingly targeting civilians?
Settlers are occupiers and therefore, not civilians.
Including people who didn’t really decide on where to live, like their children?
Including people who didn’t really decide on where to live, like their children?
Well that’s an interesting moral line in the sand to draw in this case.
https://visualizingpalestine.org/visual/six-wars-old/
I think wanting to avoid innocent civilian deaths is a moral line that is valid for both sides.
While I agree with that, it doesn’t feel like your question to the other commenter carries quite the weight in this specific context as it might in others given that neither side has been clean about this, and it’s not the Palestinian side that has intentionally blown up a playground within the past week.
I do generally think it’s hard to equate the two fairly in this context, given the power differential between the two forces and their relative capabilities to be discerning if they so chose.
I apologize if I misunderstood you, but there is no both sides here. The united nations recognizes the right to armed struggle against occupation.
UNGA Resolution 37/43 (1982) reaffirmed the “inalienable right” of the Palestinian people “and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination” to self-determination. It also reaffirmed the legitimacy of “the struggle of peoples for […] liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle.”
It even mentions the Palestinian struggle explicitly.
Adults who were born in Israel, yes, children, no, but your handwringing is funny, since dead Israeli toddlers are purely hypothetical, and you clearly give no fucks about dead Palestinian babies.
Stick your hand in a blender and turn it on.
you clearly give no fucks about dead Palestinian babies.
I do. Mentioning civilian victims on Israeli an side doesn’t mean I don’t care about civilian victims on Palestinian side, this point was simply already covered largely.
Also please refrain from personal attacks and other violence threats.
You: actively defending genocide
Also you: PLZ NO PERSONAL ATTACKS CIVILITY IS IMPORTANT
No, I am not defending the war crimes of Israeli army nor the ones of Hamas. Just read what I wrote, there’s no more to imagine.
What my comrades said, and also, stick your other hand in the blender too
That’s a pretty serious claim. Do you have any evidence to support it?
I find different sources saying about 30 children were murdered, but given that some bodies were mutilated or burnt the counts are not obvious. https://www.factcheck.org/2023/11/dozens-of-children-died-in-hamas-oct-7-attack-on-israel-contrary-to-online-claim/
Killed by who?
A separate report published in Haaretz noted that the Israeli military was “compelled to request an aerial strike” against its own facility inside the Erez Crossing to Gaza “in order to repulse the terrorists” who had seized control. That base was filled with Israeli Civil Administration officers and soldiers at the time.
An Israeli woman named Yasmin Porat confirmed in an interview with Israel Radio that the military “undoubtedly” killed numerous Israeli noncombatants during gun battles with Hamas militants on October 7. “They eliminated everyone, including the hostages,” she stated, referring to Israeli special forces.
While being held by the Hamas gunmen, Porat recalled, “They did not abuse us. We were treated very humanely… No one treated us violently.”
She added, “The objective was to kidnap us to Gaza, not to murder us.”
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/27/israels-military-shelled-burning-tanks-helicopters/
I’m aware that some of the hostages that were taken were children. All accounts suggest that they were treated well, for hostages anyway. Its important to recognize that the Zionist regime keeps thousands upon thousands of Palestinian hostages, many of which are children. The Zionists could have negotiated an exchange, ensuring the safe return of all Israeli hostages. Instead, they decided to bomb the living shit out of Gaza, pretty much ensuring their demise.
This is fake and discredited
It’s tragic, but that’s what happens when your state primarily defends itself with human shields.
Which state are you talking about?
Palestine is a country, not a state.
In my main language those are often confused, so let me rephrase, which country?
Why would there be Israeli children inside places like the West Bank or Gaza?
Because they were reborn there or moved by their parents.
Why would an Israeli family be living in the West Bank or Gaza? And who would be more likely to be killing their children, Israeli occupation forces or Palestinian resistance to the occupation forces?
Settlers use human shields.
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If a civilian comes at you with a weapon, trying to kill you, are they still a civilian?
If a civilian stands in front of relief trucks, sending food/medicine/clothes/tents while the military destroys food/medicine/homes, are they still a civilian?
If a civilian cheers every time one of their country’s soldiers shoots a random person or when a bomb in dropped on a hospital, or when missiles are fired at the places went to get away from the fighting, are they still a civilian?
'Cause, from where I’m sitting, being okay with slaughtering people kinds makes it seem like they aren’t ‘innocent’ in this.
I don’t think this applies to the general understanding of innocent civilians indeed.
So now it switches from civilians to “innocent” civilians.
Israelis are willingly targeting civilians. Where is your hand wringing about that?
I would also mention them if everyone here was not already doing that.
I don’t think Hamas has sniper drones shooting children coming and going from hospitals in Israel
If a German occupied my home during 1940, I’m telling you he wouldn’t be a civilian to me. He’d be a complacent thief. A low life settler.
There are no civilians in Israel; every settler is a combatant by virtue (ha) of their theft.
And before you start pearl-clutching and morally peacocking like I know you would if not for this addendum; no, I do not factor Israeli children into my calculus. It sucks for them that their parents decided to either become, or carry on the family tradition of being settler scum; but does Israel ever consider Palestinian children? No. They don’t. Israel calls Palestinian children Hamas when it suits them; ergo, I don’t consider Israeli children. At all.
You mean IDF veterans and reservists?
It’s sad that some children died, but collateral damage is inevitable in war and there’s no proof that Hamas deliberately killed children (unlike Israel, which has murdered over 12,300 children - higher than the last 4 years of wars combined!)
That’s some proper Nazi shit from the “most moral army in the World”.
“most moral army in the world” is a bit like the dryest lake.
literally all they do. the butcher’s star means the same thing as the swastika at this point, and the Jewish people should probably take an example from the Navajo.
ThE mOsT mOrAl ArMy In ThE WoRlD
Possible war crimes?? Israel hit war crime bingo in the first month and has been trying to get a full card since!
also, they’re playing on like ten cards, and won’t be going home (also stolen, free space!) until they win on every single fucking one.
Israel is basically Isis
Nah America hates Isis
ISIS fights against all America’s enemies. Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya…
Thankfully israel funds ISIS by buying their oil. And ISIS decided to attack Iran, Syria and now even Russia! Very convenient people!
It’s weird your source is saying Israel was mostly buying ISIS oil, while the FT article they heavily draw from actually says most of it was coming out of Kurdish territories, with the funds being used for Peshmerga forces fighting against ISIS
Taking all reporting into account it looks like all the produced oil going through Turkish traders with nobody down the chain caring who they’re funding
The oil is extracted from Dir A-Zur in Syria and two fields in Iraq and transported to the Kurdish city of Zakhu in a triangle of land near the borders of Syria, Iraq and Turkey. Israeli and Turkish mediators come to the city and when prices are agreed, the oil is smuggled to the Turkish city of Silop marked as originating from Kurdish regions of Iraq and sold for $15-18 per barrel
It passes hands a few times to avoid direct links. Someone traced it back. Came from ISIS.
You’re pretty delusional if you think every drop of oil can be traced back in such an active conflict. You should read up on more sources and you’ll see everyone was buying cheap oil from the intermediaries. You could say Assad was funding ISIS with Russian support, but it’s a pretty useless statement once you know where it comes from
I’m glad you are denying this report by making random claims about drops of oil.
Did you know oil goes into barrels? Onto trucks? So much cool info that’s mentioned in the article. You can even read the article before commenting on it to defend israel!
The rest of America might hate Isis, but the USA is Isis’ primary employer.
Then why is isis attacking everyone but Israel, which America so so loves.
They used to. Now they don’t.
If you really, actually follow the money, you’ll find Amerika is bankrolling ISIS. Do you really think Israel’s spending their own money buying IS oil? Or could it be the millions upon billions Amerika pumps them with to do Empire’s genocidal bidding?
Turns out the faction saying everyone else was basically isis, was basically isis
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And the Nazis.
They’re being a bunch of jerks.
That hitler guy was really kinda mean
He went too far. There, I said it, downvote me if you must.
You’re being anti-Semitic! /S
Yes but he died a hero.
. . .
(for killing Hitler)
And weapons form the US and cheers from Germany to do it.
Less civilians died over two years in Ukraine than in a month in Gaza. The west is showing the world what real atrocities look like here.
Death to Israel. Death to America.
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I can do both.
You’re so close.
death to all capitalists was implied by their post
Fine; death to western yankees
For real what is it with them, where are they even trying to go with this?
Edit: I mean the Israel army. What is their end goal?
Isn’t it obvious? Genocide. They want to be the next US, Australia, or Canada. Kill all the natives, or enough to make them not a threat anymore, and take all the land for themselves. Only difference we’re supposed to know not to do that anymore.
You’ll notice that the report doesn’t estimate whether they died before or after Israel’s incursion.
The extinction of the Gazan population and total annexation. That was the long plan anyhow.
do you seriously still have to ask?
Total victory!
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Motherfucker there is NOTHING covert about this shit. This isn’t an extreme position in Israel, genociding Palestinians has been the policy of Israel since it’s inception.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/israel-gaza-genocide
They are open about and proud of it.
Fuck, the IOF too doesn’t give a shit, they bomb their own and treat Palestinians as less then human.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/04/1148876
Shut the fuck up.
I see where people might think that if you’re just looking at the immediate context from the October 7th attacks, but I urge you to look into the conditions Palestinian people had been living under for decades, especially in Gaza. Rather than vengeance, when you look into the history, the October 7th attacks feel more like an excuse to go full throttle into carrying out what the Israeli government and hardcore Zionists already been trying to do for a while now.
The political establishment in Israel does not recognize Palestine, their goal has long been the eradication of the Palestinian nation.
I understand it’s easy to blame Hamas and the Palestinian resistance for Israel’s disproportionate and genocidal response, but the second Nakba was long coming.
[June, 2022] How threats of a second Nakba went mainstream https://www.972mag.com/second-nakba-mainstream-israeli-right/
[May, 2023] Why Israel’s leaders call for ‘Second Nakba’ https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/why-israels-leaders-call-for-second-nakba
[Aug, 2023] Why Palestinians Could Be Facing Another Nakba https://www.thenation.com/article/world/palestine-second-nakba/
Additionally worth remembering that the normalization process was nearing its conclusion by October, Israel was well on the path to buying off all of its neighbors and achieving total regional cooperation in the next Nakba.
Death to the settlers; worse to their benefactors.
I dunno, I could stand for both to get worse.
No mercy for Israel.
