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Israeli officials say that everywhere Hamas terrorists struck — the rave, the military bases along the Gaza border and the kibbutzim — they brutalized women.
A two-month investigation by The Times uncovered painful new details, establishing that the attacks against women were not isolated events but part of a broader pattern of gender-based violence on Oct. 7.
Relying on video footage, photographs, GPS data from mobile phones and interviews with more than 150 people, including witnesses, medical personnel, soldiers and rape counselors, The Times identified at least seven locations where Israeli women and girls appear to have been sexually assaulted or mutilated.
Four witnesses described in graphic detail seeing women raped and killed at two different places along Route 232, the same highway where Ms. Abdush’s half-naked body was found sprawled on the road at a third location.
And The Times interviewed several soldiers and volunteer medics who together described finding more than 30 bodies of women and girls in and around the rave site and in two kibbutzim in a similar state as Ms. Abdush’s — legs spread, clothes torn off, signs of abuse in their genital areas.
Many of the accounts are difficult to bear, and the visual evidence is disturbing to see.
The Times viewed photographs of one woman’s corpse that emergency responders discovered in the rubble of a besieged kibbutz with dozens of nails driven into her thighs and groin.
The Times also viewed a video, provided by the Israeli military, showing two dead Israeli soldiers at a base near Gaza who appeared to have been shot directly in their vaginas.
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Fuck Hamas.
Fuck IDF, fuck Israel.
You’re both right, provided that by “Israel”, you mean the fascist government, not the entire population.
By Israel, I mean anyone who doesn’t fight against the apartheid state.
Define “fight against”.
Is criticism and political opposition enough? Or do you expect every Israeli citizen who’s not a fascist themself to take up arms? Something in between?
I think it’s fair to say Israelis bear as much blame as Russians for not fighting back against their government.
Probably even more-so, since Israelis don’t have to fear falling out of a window or wrongful imprisonment.
No, most Israelis are pro-genocide because Zionism is religious nationalism.
If you pay taxes to the Israeli government, you’re complicit in the genocide.
If you don’t speak out/protest, you’re complicit.
If you vote for the current government or don’t vote for an alternative, you’re complicit.
Are you suggesting that the people of Gaza are complicit in the crimes of Hamas?
Is Hamas “the government”
The latter two are fair, but fighting fascism by not contributing to ANY part of society, including good ones like their single payer healthcare system, is some Ancap level bullshit 🤦
I mean, Israelis are required to join the military.
Those were my actions against the US government during the Iraq/Afghanistan wars. Seems reasonable to me.
Are the people of Palestine complicit in the actions of Hamas, then?
Are they able to leave and therefore stop supporting Hamas?
Fuck Hamas and it’s supporters.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The video was shot in the early hours of Oct. 8 by a woman searching for a missing friend at the site of the rave in southern Israel where, the day before, Hamas terrorists massacred hundreds of young Israelis.
Relying on video footage, photographs, GPS data from mobile phones and interviews with more than 150 people, including witnesses, medical personnel, soldiers and rape counselors, The Times identified at least seven locations where Israeli women and girls appear to have been sexually assaulted or mutilated.
And The Times interviewed several soldiers and volunteer medics who together described finding more than 30 bodies of women and girls in and around the rave site and in two kibbutzim in a similar state as Ms. Abdush’s — legs spread, clothes torn off, signs of abuse in their genital areas.
That same morning, along Route 232 but in a different location about a mile southwest of the party area, Raz Cohen — a young Israeli who had also attended the rave and had worked recently in the Democratic Republic of Congo training Congolese soldiers — said that he was hiding in a dried-up streambed.
Jamal Waraki, a volunteer medic with the nonprofit ZAKA emergency response team, said he could not get out of his head a young woman in a rawhide vest found between the main stage and the bar.
Yinon Rivlin, a member of the rave’s production team who lost two brothers in the attacks, said that after hiding from the killers, he emerged from a ditch and made his way to the parking area, east of the party, along Route 232, looking for survivors.
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But but but… people here said it was all debunked.
Horrific descriptions, but ultimately almost all Israel presents as evidence is descriptions. Along with the excuse that they were too busy to collect evidence - this coming from a country with one of the top intelligence communities in the world.
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Hamas has popular support among Palestinians. It went up because of this rape-fueled civilian murder spree on October 7th.
Despite the devastation, 57% of respondents in Gaza and 82% in the West Bank (72% overall) believe Hamas was correct in launching the October 7 massacres
This article is straight up IDF propaganda and should be removed.
No video evidence of any rape. No pictures are provided. No rape kits nothing. Just “anonymous witnesses said”. This article is a lie and TimesOfIsrael should be banned for it.
I want to remind everyone that in the secret journalist footage video of the “worst Hamas crimes on Oct 7” not a single instance of any rape being committed was found on CCTV nor Hamas GoPros this was confirmed by Journalists that saw the video.
Whether it’s true or not, I’ve seen genocide apologists try to shift the discussion to rape to cover for the crimes of israel.
Relying on video footage, photographs, GPS data from mobile phones and interviews with more than 150 people, including witnesses, medical personnel, soldiers and rape counselors, The Times identified at least seven locations where Israeli women and girls appear to have been sexually assaulted or mutilated.
Video footage and photographs that no independent journalist gets to see
Appear to have been. With appear being a key word that proves that there is no footage or photography of any rape.
Relying on witness statements from 150 anonymous people including probably a ton of IDF soldiers
Good thing the IDF refused to use rape kits when the entire world was calling for them to do so right after Oct 7.
Are these credible witnesses the same guys that assured Biden about the 40 beheaded babies? Because israeli “witnesses” seem to testify whatever IDF propaganda they read on social media.
You should check out this piece: https://theintercept.com/2023/12/24/feminism-sexual-violence-hamas-israel/
It is possible to acknowledge the sexual violence and mutilation carried out by Hamas, condemn those that use the fact as propaganda to legitimize further violent, and still acknowledge the suffering of Palestinians and support a free Palestine.
Good thing the IDF refused to use rape kits when the entire world was calling for them to do so right after Oct 7.
Proof?
https://forward.com/fast-forward/569283/rape-kits-forensic-evidence-oct-7-times-of-israel/
Physical evidence required to meet legal standards for charges of rape decomposes within a week, so if rape kits were not administered immediately following the attacks, that evidence is gone. The Times of Israel reported that it is “not clear” if “rape kits were ever collected,” saying that a police spokesperson refused to answer the question.
Good thing the IDF refused to use rape kits when the entire world was calling for them to do so right after Oct 7.
Proof?
I was just talking about this article yesterday. They list like seven forms of proof in a “I swear to god guys!” way
It feels like they are trying to paint those medieval pictures of devils and demons eating babies and violating people but in news form with no proof. I just want actual proof not your word on proof
The weird thing is, I thought they would finally provide at least some proof for these claims after three months but NOPE! It’s the same exact BS we read back three months ago and still without a shred of evidence!
Like what kind of “investigation” did they do? Did they open their own website from three months ago and went “hey we can get more clicks from this!”
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Look at how far the mental gymnastics go to keep believing the IDF, the worst liars in the world, on their word. I’m sure they got those pictures right to those 40 beheaded babies.
The IDF refused to use rape kits or collect any evidence after Oct7 when there were multiple organizations screaming for them to do so.
Why?
Because there was no evidence to collect. Because it didn’t happen.
You’re so deep into your conspiracy theories that you believe all the shit the rape apologists make up to defend the islamists. What a disgrace.
Baseless claims without evidence by Genocidal Nazis known to lie about everything won’t be trusted by anyone.
Hope you get banned from here soon.
I was not allowed to say it is a disgrace to be a rape apologist (comment removed), I guess this is a real great forum for you to hang around since you are able to say any lie you made up or read online without consequences.
Genocidal nazis. Wow. I bet soon you’ll claim the holocaust was faked as well.
Btw I am critical towards the racist state of Israel but here we are discussing the terror, rape and slaughter by the fascist islamist terror cowards of Hamas which you have no problem to cheer on in your black-white mindset. Maybe it’s just an internet troll game for you but we are discussing real human life and suffering here.
I would recommend Reddit r/worldnews. It is a great place to discuss and spread ZioNazi propaganda. Lemmy is more for people who aren’t straight up IDF shills.
The worst thing that at least some attackers on Oct 7 did do was execute unarmed parents in front of their children. There is video evidence of that on their GoPros
Almost all of the other really bad accusations have turned out to be baseless lies such as the 40 beheaded babies. The rape is a major one that somehow still keeps getting repeated without any evidence. Unless there is evidence provided it didn’t happen.
What insane accusations. You’re really a lost cause. I am happy not to have any such attitudes in my local refugee support and antifascist groups, history will again prove us right. No pasaran against imperialism, religion, hierarchies and racism.
I wonder at what point Israel will realize that an apartheid state will always produce this kind of violence. I’ve written this in other comments, but it seems like Israel is happy to exist with this violence for the possibility of getting all the Palestinian lands after the genocide is finished.
The violence is the point to stay in power. It follows a “strong man” scenario.
- Create bogeyman out of Palestine
- Close of all paths for peaceful resolution
- Warn how dangerous the bogeyman is and how the strong man will protect
- Wait for inevitable violence to erupt
- Respond with overwhelming force to project strength
- Rake in popular support and votes
The popular support and votes isn’t all that forthcoming, though, if it were there wouldn’t be such a crackdown on Israeli dissent.
Oh, I thought they weren’t investigating the rave bodies? Well that’s good, surely they’ll tell us how many Israelis were killed by idf attack helicopters.
Do you agree with the following statement? Hamas targeted and attaacked “non combatants” on the 7th of October?
This is a simple yes / no question about whether you agree with the above statement.
Edit: One day later and still no reply. Normal thinking people are able to conclude that one bad thing doesn’t automatically cancel out another bad thing. Whether Israel/IDF do bad things or not has nothing to do with the fact that Hamas attacked and executed civilians and non combatants on the 7th October.
Not being able to admit that “your team” isn’t perfect just makes you look like a fanatic.
teehee
Wow, you hit a nerve. I wonder why IDF propaganda is trying to bury this comment so much.
people are agreeing with me, I must be right
people are disagreeing with me, I must be right
There was a rumor/report that a whole bunch of Israelis were killed by idf helicopters and the idf announced that they weren’t going to investigate and that everyone should focus on killing hamas. That happened.
Hamas supporters in this thread:
There was a rumor/report that a whole bunch of Israelis were killed by idf helicopters and the idf announced that they weren’t going to investigate and that everyone should focus on killing hamas. That happened.
Also Hamas supporters in this thread:
There is no evidence for rape, just rumors, rape accusations are totals wrong, we want prove first.
Okay let us apply logic.
An attack happened. What is more likely to happen?
A) those being attacked fire back hitting innocents
B) those attacking decide to sexually assault people during combat
Rape happens during every single war by every faction in a war, so why are people acting like this is some big new revelation?
Why are people always disgusted about a disgusting thing which keeps happening?
I said shocked not disgusted but sure.
Rape doesn’t happen in the midst of a fight.
I heard of awful fighting happening but accounts of babies being smashed apart and sexual assault seem really unlikely when under gun fire and fighting there wasn’t really a lull to do this stuff during the attack.
During the capture and imprisonment maybe, definitely not during this event which makes the entire claim of sexual assault questionable honestly
Not at all. Sexual assult happens outside of prisions during wars too.
During wars and during a firefight is different
That is an excellent point. I’m sure it has happened during fights, but it would likely be a statistical anomaly.
