The U.K. paper confirmed it had removed the letter because of its sudden surge in popularity on TikTok and other social media sites.

The U.K. paper confirmed it had removed the letter because of its sudden surge in popularity on TikTok and other social media sites.

  • CoffeeJunkie@lemmy.worldEnglish
    693·
    10 months ago

    Goddamn weirdo cowards. There’s no reason to remove cut & dry, factual information. It’s not like they posted the letter & had annotations, “We love this guy!! Yay!! Hooray, 9/11!” They were like this is from Osama, to America, here it is. There’s nothing for them to be ashamed of; it’s stupid that they are.

    • interceder270@lemmy.worldEnglish
      131·
      10 months ago

      This is why freedom of speech is so necessary.

      Without it, one side will abuse censorship to promote their ideology.

      Children think it’s fun when it’s their side doing the abuse, but love to cry when someone else is doing it.

      Hypocrites. And I’m glad they don’t have much power.

      • where_am_i@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        223·
        10 months ago

        (2) The second thing we call you to, is to stop your oppression, lies, immorality and debauchery that has spread among you.

        (a) We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling’s, and trading with interest.

        • interceder270@lemmy.worldEnglish
          104·
          10 months ago

          “We hate your way of life and your support of Israel.”

          I mean, it’s the same as the Gaza conflict. People support protecting the abuse of innocent people, but recognize that Sharia law is a load of bullshit.

          It’s possible, now stay with me. It’s at least possible some of what this guy said is good, even though most of it is bad. Right? It’s at least… possible?

        • agent_flounder@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          10 months ago

          Part a sounds like it could’ve instead been written by a Christian extremist. Whoever writes stuff like this can get fucked.

          Still, understanding someone’s perspective can be helpful. Of course you can understand it without agreeing with it. The more perspectives you get, the more you can look at your own and re-evaluate it. Learning more about history helps a lot, too.

          Like, it is quite clear that the US and UK have done plenty of fucking around in the Middle East for the past century and keep finding out, as a result. Bin Laden’s terrorism, this mess with Gaza, and the Iranian hostage crisis are examples.

        • shatteredsword@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          10 months ago

          I found the first half of the letter very eye opening and the second half absolutely insane, so hopefully other people either have some reasoning skills or are at least too lazy to read the whole thing.

      • where_am_i@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        154·
        10 months ago

        (b) It is saddening to tell you that you are the worst civilization witnessed by the history of mankind:

        (i) You are the nation who, rather than ruling by the Shariah of Allah in its Constitution and Laws, choose to invent your own laws as you will and desire. You separate religion from your policies, contradicting the pure nature which affirms Absolute Authority to the Lord and your Creator.

  • agitatedpotato@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    503·
    10 months ago

    Yikes. This is not the action of a body that respects journalism or a free press. This is the action of a body scrambling to hide history they find problematic or hard to look at.

  • Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world
    English
    293·
    10 months ago

    It reads like a typical American baptist priest. Sprinkled with far right jew hating ideology “da jooos control this and that.” But I understand his grievances and why he blames the American people for government decisions.

    I mean this could be a long boomer rant on Facebook but replace america with China.

    • GutsBerserk@lemmy.worldEnglish
      42·
      10 months ago

      (Fully Translated) Page 1 In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful. From Usama Bin Muhammad Bin Ladin to the American people, I speak to you about the subject of the ongoing war between you and us. Even though the consensus of your wise thinkers and others is that your time (TN: of defeat) will come, compassion for the women and children who are being unjustly killed, wounded, and displaced in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan motivates me to speak to you. First of all, I would like to say that your war with us is the longest war in your history and the most expensive for you financially. As for us, we see it as being only halfway finished. If you were to ask your wise thinkers, they would tell you that there is no way to win it because the indications are against it. How will you win a war whose leaders are pessimistic and whose soldiers are committing suicide? If fear enters the hearts of men, winning the war becomes impossible. How will you win a war whose cost is like a hurricane blowing violently at your economy and weakening your dollar? The Bush administration got you into these wars on the premise that they were vital to your security. He promised that it would be a quick war, won within six days or six weeks; however, six years have passed, and they are still promising you victory and not achieving it. Then Obama came and delayed the withdrawal that he had promised you by 16 more months. He promised you victory in Afghanistan and set a date for withdrawal from there. Six months later, Petraeus came to you once again with the number six, requesting that the withdrawal be delayed six months beyond the date that had been set. All the while you continue to bleed in Iraq and Afghanistan. You are wading into a war with no end in sight on the horizon and which has no connection to your security, which was confirmed by the operation of 'Umar al-Faruq (Var.: Umar Farouk), which was not launched from the battlefield and could have been launched from any place in the world. As for us, jihad against the tyrants and the aggressors is a form of great worship in our religion. It is more precious to us than our fathers and sons. Thus, our jihad against you is worship, Page 2 and your killing us is a testimony. Thanks to God, Almighty, we have been waging jihad for 30 years, against the Russians and then against you. Not a single one of our men has committed suicide, whereas every 30 days 30 of your men commit suicide. Continue the war if you will. (TN: Two lines of poetry that say the Mujahidin will not stop fighting until the United States leaves their land.) Peace be upon those who follow right guidance. We are defending our right. Jihad against the aggressors is a form of great worship in our religion, and killing us means a high status with our Lord. Thanks to God, we have been waging jihad for 30 years, against the Russians and then against you. Not a single one of our men has committed suicide, whereas every 30 days 30 of your men commit suicide. Continue the war if you will. Justice is the strongest army, and security is the best way of life, but it slipped out of your grasp the day you made the Jews victorious in occupying our land and killing our brothers in Palestine. The path to security is for you to lift your oppression from us.

    • shrugal@lemm.eeEnglish
      1·
      10 months ago

      That’s how they get you. People expect to be disgusted by every word, and then are positively surprised if it’s “just” every 3rd sentence.

        • jayrhacker@kbin.social
          291·
          10 months ago

          Well, sorta, it does call for a totalitarian theocratic state pretty early on, and justifies the possession of Palestine on the basis of military conquest, which is how it was taken. So, “your religious state is intolerable and only we get to take territory by force; when you do it it’s not halal.”

            • Locrin@lemmy.worldEnglish
              61·
              10 months ago

              Islam gets around this the same way they get around no sex before marriage. With a bullshit workaround that god is totally cool with because it follows the letter but not the spirit. You can marry someone for an hour and then divorce them. Totally halal prostitution.

              A loan with interest these days for 1 million USD at 6% interest over 20 years will have you end up paying 2.5Million for that 1 Million house. It’s bullshit but it is a system that somewhat works. If interest goes up you pay more, interest go down you pay less unless you have locked in at a fixed rent.

              In Islam the banks still want to make money of course so they just pre calculate this and call it a fee. It ends up being interest, baked in at a fixed price.

              • TransplantedSconie@lemm.eeEnglish
                62·
                10 months ago

                It’s also in the Old Testament. Although the bankers bought off enough of the clergy to water it down. Cudos to the Muslims on keeping theirs intact!

    • Ddhuud@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      10 months ago

      I don’t know if it’s an ad blocker thing, but the link takes you to a page with the title and no content.

      • TokenBoomer@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
        41·
        10 months ago

        ? I’ll sum it up for you. Religion, religion, antisemitism, uncomfortable truths about America framed in religion, more antisemitism, religion.

    • mwguy@infosec.pubEnglish
      102·
      10 months ago

      Though some people can be stupid enough to start supporting terrorism afterwards…

      I used to think the same thing. Then my company got United Healthcare Insurance. Now I’m questioning. Would I have been angry if Osama had attacked their board of directors? I’m not so sure.

      • mlg@lemmy.worldEnglish
        61·
        10 months ago

        Evil conveniently never harms other evil things.

        I swear not a single (primary) country leader died during covid. Even fat kim jong-un somehow made it out alive. Granted it wasn’t a particularly lethal virus, but man it would have been satisfying to see some dictators kick the bucket.

          • Sagifurius@lemm.eeEnglish
            22·
            10 months ago

            Just look at the ages as you scroll down. They’re mostly all 70 plus, people that age are looking for an excuse to die.

        • Sagifurius@lemm.eeEnglish
          15·
          10 months ago

          Odd how I’ve lost so many friends (in the mutiples of 10, dont care to count exactly)to an opiod crisis not worth doing anything effective about, but they blew the entire economy over a cold that hasn’t killed anyone I know in 4 provinces and 3 states (was a trucker, know people everywhere, lived in 3 provinces and one state). tHats aNEcdoTAl tHoUgH

            • Sagifurius@lemm.eeEnglish
              21·
              10 months ago

              It fucking sucks. Yeah I used to like to party, but backed the hell off in like 2016 when it became clear everything was tainted. Been watching my old friends that wouldn’t/couldn’t, die ever since.

    • Discoslugs@lemmy.worldEnglish
      53·
      10 months ago

      I don’t believe in any form of censorship

      You don’t believe CSAM should be reported and removed from websites?

      Cuz thats censorship as well.

        • 0xD@infosec.pubEnglish
          2·
          10 months ago

          There is no “both sides”, there is an infinite amount of opinions and perspectives on one thing: reality. Not all of those opinions are worth engaging with or deserve a platform.

          Though in this case with the letter it’s historically significant and I find their reasoning kind of pathetic, so I agree with you here.

    • Seventhlevin@lemmy.worldEnglish
      32·
      10 months ago

      I think they’ve taken it down merely because The Guardian doesn’t want to be associated with the dumbfuck lemmites et al. who will read it and think “This Osama is a swell guy”

  • djquadratic@kbin.social
    18·
    10 months ago

    This reminds me of those hitler quotes that people were duped into agreeing with and then being told it was said by hitler.

  • guyrocket@kbin.social
    133·
    10 months ago

    This reminds me of something I did around the time of 9/11.

    I had read an interview with Bin Laden on the CNN website and could not find it there the next day. Whoever or however it happens, I’m pretty sure our government censored anything that might be remotely sympathetic to the “bad guys”.

    I’m glad this is more obvious now with everything being on the www. But this shows that the censorship has not stopped.

    • TokenBoomer@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      41·
      10 months ago

      Thanks, I didn’t realize .

      It is saddening to tell you that you are the worst civilization witnessed by the history of mankind:

      Cuts deep