So torn. If it was an Israeli bomb, the hospital wouldn’t exist anymore, but at the same time Israel lies about what happens so goddamn much I just assume it was them on principle. I guess we’ll find out soon.
I’d like to find out that it was a freak accident from an aging oxygen cylinder left near the tanks of diesel for the emergency generator and that a running stray dog hit the oxygen cylinder, tipping it until it fell, broke the valve, which also created the spark which caused the explosion of the super oxygenated diesel fuel.
I’d like it to be true that this wasn’t caused by humans trying to harm other humans.
The not-Israel explanation is still an accident (albeit in the pursuit of humans killing humans somewhere else). At least that version is more “war is horrific” and less “war crimes”.
Perhaps its just my “empathy gauge” is pegged at 100 when seeing a hospital blown up and dead children. The “it was Islamic Jihad that did it accidentally” answer is equally horrific to me as the “Israel did it intentionally” answer. Friendly fire on soldiers is a tragedy. Friendly fire on a civilian hospital with dead children is equally horrific as a war crime to me.
People keep saying this but it’s not true. Here’s a case from 2014 where the consensus is the munition was Israeli, with the eyewitness account of a NBC reporter. The impact was also indirect. The excuse is even the same, they blamed ‘Gaza terrorists’, not Hamas directly. That doesn’t mean its the same this time but it’s not a given that Israeli munitions would simply level the hospital.
People seem to believe that every single bomb/missile that is being launched by the IDF into Gaza is going to be capable of or intended to level entire buildings for some reason…
This is such a weird assumption, but I guess a lot of people don’t understand that military forces use varied munitions depending on target hardness, density, etc.
There’s also a misconception about equating JDAMs with Israeli bombs in a strict sense, where people start to assume every Israeli bomb is a JDAM but thats not true either.
The question is: did Israel change their official stance or did they stay with the original message? If they changed the official stance, after learning new facts, I can see nothing wrong with that.
I have never heard of a Terrorist Organization on the other hand, to suddenly accept the blame for something that cannot get factually disputed anymore, where they put the blame on their enemy before.
Ok - if I understand you correctly, Israel has been „caught“ several times. If it has happened that many times as you say - there must be some kind of report about it. Do you have a link for me?
The IDF initially denied responsibility for killing Abu Akleh and pointed the finger at Palestinian gunmen. But investigations by the United Nations and several news organisations concluded that the journalist was not near Palestinian gunfire when she was killed, and that Israeli forces were almost certainly responsible. The UN said that Israeli soldiers fired “several single, seemingly well-aimed bullets” at Abu Akleh and other journalists.
In September, the IDF finally admitted that one of its soldiers had probably shot her but said there would be no criminal prosecutions because no laws had been broken and declared the case closed
So torn. If it was an Israeli bomb, the hospital wouldn’t exist anymore, but at the same time Israel lies about what happens so goddamn much I just assume it was them on principle. I guess we’ll find out soon.
Maybe step back for a second from what you want to be true and try to judge the evidence. I mean that for everyone really.
I’d like neither one to be true.
I’d like to find out that it was a freak accident from an aging oxygen cylinder left near the tanks of diesel for the emergency generator and that a running stray dog hit the oxygen cylinder, tipping it until it fell, broke the valve, which also created the spark which caused the explosion of the super oxygenated diesel fuel.
I’d like it to be true that this wasn’t caused by humans trying to harm other humans.
The not-Israel explanation is still an accident (albeit in the pursuit of humans killing humans somewhere else). At least that version is more “war is horrific” and less “war crimes”.
Perhaps its just my “empathy gauge” is pegged at 100 when seeing a hospital blown up and dead children. The “it was Islamic Jihad that did it accidentally” answer is equally horrific to me as the “Israel did it intentionally” answer. Friendly fire on soldiers is a tragedy. Friendly fire on a civilian hospital with dead children is equally horrific as a war crime to me.
People keep saying this but it’s not true. Here’s a case from 2014 where the consensus is the munition was Israeli, with the eyewitness account of a NBC reporter. The impact was also indirect. The excuse is even the same, they blamed ‘Gaza terrorists’, not Hamas directly. That doesn’t mean its the same this time but it’s not a given that Israeli munitions would simply level the hospital.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/politics/2014/07/gaza-shifa-hospital-bombing
People seem to believe that every single bomb/missile that is being launched by the IDF into Gaza is going to be capable of or intended to level entire buildings for some reason…
This is such a weird assumption, but I guess a lot of people don’t understand that military forces use varied munitions depending on target hardness, density, etc.
There’s also a misconception about equating JDAMs with Israeli bombs in a strict sense, where people start to assume every Israeli bomb is a JDAM but thats not true either.
https://www.businessinsider.com/israeli-air-force-photos-fighter-aircraft-armed-unguided-weapons-2023-10
Yeah, good point because another crazy post I saw from someone today argued that it WAS a JDAM that hit near the hospital…
There’s a lot of people that seem to think they got their degree in military tactics and munitions from upstairs college this week.
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May have been a small diameter bomb.
Israel uses them in Gaza all the time.
May have been a janky rocket. They get fired from Gaza all the time.
Normally wouldn’t punch a hole like that.
The rockets Hamas builds are basically garbage. It would leave a round hole like that.
That’s not a 250 lb bomb hole
The video footage from Aljazeera shows a rocket, not a bomb
Got a source on that?
That Israel uses small diameter bombe in Gaza? Go to wiki. It’s referenced there. It was designed for that use case.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-10-10/boeing-sped-1-000-smart-bombs-to-israel-after-the-hamas-attacks
Hamas uses movie scenes, video games, and made up statistics. Why would you believe them over Israel?
tbf, Israel has blamed terrorism before and later it’s emerged that it wasn’t
I think we need to rely on evidence rather than either side’s propaganda
The question is: did Israel change their official stance or did they stay with the original message? If they changed the official stance, after learning new facts, I can see nothing wrong with that.
I have never heard of a Terrorist Organization on the other hand, to suddenly accept the blame for something that cannot get factually disputed anymore, where they put the blame on their enemy before.
It’s a fine line between owning up only because you’ve been caught though. It’s happened on at least 3 occasions
Hamas is both a terrorist organisation and the government of Gaza. There’s plenty of times when a mistake gets blamed on the enemy in war.
Ok - if I understand you correctly, Israel has been „caught“ several times. If it has happened that many times as you say - there must be some kind of report about it. Do you have a link for me?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/14/shireen-abu-akleh-killing-israel-fbi-investigation
At first Israel celebrated doing it on Twitter, later they changed their story and said it was Hamas.
So they did change their story, but it doesn’t bode well for them as it further paints the story that Israel did it and is covering it up.
Source? Sincerely asking. I’ve seen this claim made, but don’t know its source and claims are a dime a dozen right now.
I didn’t say I believe hamas, I said I don’t believe Israel.